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And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Turkey could guarantee the north state only because if things should erupt between the 2 communities the TCs now have definate borders to which they can withdraw, this can be the agreement until a time when of if Turkey enters the EU.

[Kifeas]

Guarantees and EU are “Everything!”

Some light appears to have delightfully shed upon the true stumbling point in the search for an amicable Cyprus Solution.

Both leaders have expressed their ultimate DIFFERENCES. Where, the Turkish Cypriots believe that Turkey must be a Guarantor country of the new Cyprus unified state, while the Greek Cypriots believe that being a member of the EU is enough and the section involving Guarantorship can not be included in a Cyprus solution!

However, and according to “the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat”, as Turkey is not part of the European Union, on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, the EU can not be considered an acceptable Guarantor – not until at least Turkey becomes a FULL EU Member state.


Well, there we have it – Deadlock!

What's next?
Is that it?

There is only one solution, if you TCs will insist on Turkish unilateral invasion guarantees on an EU member state. This solution is for you to withdraw to an area equal to 3% of Cyprus, and then we will give you partition to do whatever you like with your area. On our side, as I explained to you many times, we will build around this area a 10 meter wall with electrocuting cables on top, and we will pretend that this area does not exist for us.

[Viewpoint]

Guarantees and EU are “Everything!”

Some light appears to have delightfully shed upon the true stumbling point in the search for an amicable Cyprus Solution.

Both leaders have expressed their ultimate DIFFERENCES. Where, the Turkish Cypriots believe that Turkey must be a Guarantor country of the new Cyprus unified state, while the Greek Cypriots believe that being a member of the EU is enough and the section involving Guarantorship can not be included in a Cyprus solution!

However, and according to “the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat”, as Turkey is not part of the European Union, on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, the EU can not be considered an acceptable Guarantor – not until at least Turkey becomes a FULL EU Member state.


Well, there we have it – Deadlock!

What's next?
Is that it?

There is only one solution, if you TCs will insist on Turkish unilateral invasion guarantees on an EU member state. This solution is for you to withdraw to an area equal to 3% of Cyprus, and then we will give you partition to do whatever you like with your area. On our side, as I explained to you many times, we will build around this area a 10 meter wall with electrocuting cables on top, and we will pretend that this area does not exist for us.

29% and a right for those GCs who wish to live in the TRNC will be granted....

[Kifeas]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Turkey could guarantee the north state only because if things should erupt between the 2 communities the TCs now have definate borders to which they can withdraw, this can be the agreement until a time when of if Turkey enters the EU.

Why the north state? Is the north state going to become of your exclusive property or exclusive ownership? Is this what you understand from a BBF solution, that one area will be of the ownership of the TCs and another of the GCs? If this is the case, then your ownership area should not be more than 3% of Cyprus!

[Viewpoint]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Turkey could guarantee the north state only because if things should erupt between the 2 communities the TCs now have definate borders to which they can withdraw, this can be the agreement until a time when of if Turkey enters the EU.

Why the north state? Is the north state going to become of your exclusive property or exclusive ownership? Is this what you understand from a BBF solution, that one area will be of the ownership of the TCs and another of the GCs? If this is the case, then your ownership area should not be more than 3% of Cyprus!

Kifeas this is a compromise, as GCs are cocnerned about Turkey right to intervene in all aprt os Cyprus then surely this could be considered a compromise until Turkey enters the EU, this would also helps towards your supporting her to maintain her EU perspective.

[Kifeas]

Guarantees and EU are “Everything!”

Some light appears to have delightfully shed upon the true stumbling point in the search for an amicable Cyprus Solution.

Both leaders have expressed their ultimate DIFFERENCES. Where, the Turkish Cypriots believe that Turkey must be a Guarantor country of the new Cyprus unified state, while the Greek Cypriots believe that being a member of the EU is enough and the section involving Guarantorship can not be included in a Cyprus solution!

However, and according to “the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat”, as Turkey is not part of the European Union, on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, the EU can not be considered an acceptable Guarantor – not until at least Turkey becomes a FULL EU Member state.


Well, there we have it – Deadlock!

What's next?
Is that it?

There is only one solution, if you TCs will insist on Turkish unilateral invasion guarantees on an EU member state. This solution is for you to withdraw to an area equal to 3% of Cyprus, and then we will give you partition to do whatever you like with your area. On our side, as I explained to you many times, we will build around this area a 10 meter wall with electrocuting cables on top, and we will pretend that this area does not exist for us.

29% and a right for those GCs who wish to live in the TRNC will be granted....

Like the “rights” you wanted to offer to the GCs under the Annan plan, and like the “rights” your motherland offers to all non-Turks in Turkey such as the Kurds etc? No thank you, we won’t buy! As long as you subscribe to the Kemalist ideology, you do not have the political culture and credentials to co-habit with any other ethnicity under any form of a Turkish style republic. You can only get partition on 3% of Cyprus, because this is what you are entitled, and we promise you we will not want to come and live there!

[Kikapu]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Turkey could guarantee the north state only because if things should erupt between the 2 communities the TCs now have definate borders to which they can withdraw, this can be the agreement until a time when of if Turkey enters the EU.

VP,

North, South states, it does not matter, as long as both states are under the rule of one country of Cyprus, which will be in the EU. If all the states are in the EU, then Turkey will be "trespassing" on EU soil, therefore it will not be allowed. As you have said many times, that the reason as to why Turkey does not want to leave Cyprus now, is because she won't be able to get back in. She won't even be allowed to keep her 650 troops on the island per 1960 Constitution, because that constitution will be amended as soon as BBF is agreed on. It will be like California asking protection from Canada going behind the USA Federal Government. It cannot be done. Now, if you are talking about a independent partitioned state in the north, then the north will no longer be in the EU, ever, along with Turkey, therefore Turkey being in the north state or acting as a guarantor will no longer be an issue. In all honesty, you have a much better chance of being just a north state in Cyprus under one country than you will ever have being an independent north state as a seperate country.....and one more thing. North and South states under BBF government will not have BORDERS but mere imaginary STATE lines.

[Kifeas]

And you are convinced that a solution without including Turkey as a guarantor would stop Turkey from intervening !!!
We think she may be reluctant to do so in view of her record on .....human rights !!!

Turkey could guarantee the north state only because if things should erupt between the 2 communities the TCs now have definate borders to which they can withdraw, this can be the agreement until a time when of if Turkey enters the EU.

Why the north state? Is the north state going to become of your exclusive property or exclusive ownership? Is this what you understand from a BBF solution, that one area will be of the ownership of the TCs and another of the GCs? If this is the case, then your ownership area should not be more than 3% of Cyprus!

Kifeas this is a compromise, as GCs are cocnerned about Turkey right to intervene in all aprt os Cyprus then surely this could be considered a compromise until Turkey enters the EU, this would also helps towards your supporting her to maintain her EU perspective.

As I said to you, we do not accept unilateral invasion rights anywhere in our country, by any country, and the north state will also be part of our country, and if you think we are intransigent, you may go to the UN, the EU or any court you wish and complain that we are intransigent and non-compromising! This is the 21st century in which Cyprus is a member of the EU and the EMU in which we co-decide with another 27 and 15 countries on the future of the EU and the future of the EU’s monetary policy, and we no longer are in the middle ages in which we were under the patronage of the Ottoman Empire. We have left behind and gone over the ottoman era and the middle ages. If your community is missing the ottoman era, you may go to Turkey to have plenty of it, with the “guarantees” your motherland Turkey offers to the rights of its Kurdish citizens.

[Kikapu]

Guarantees and EU are “Everything!”

Some light appears to have delightfully shed upon the true stumbling point in the search for an amicable Cyprus Solution.

Both leaders have expressed their ultimate DIFFERENCES. Where, the Turkish Cypriots believe that Turkey must be a Guarantor country of the new Cyprus unified state, while the Greek Cypriots believe that being a member of the EU is enough and the section involving Guarantorship can not be included in a Cyprus solution!

However, and according to “the Turkish Cypriot leader, Mehmet Ali Talat”, as Turkey is not part of the European Union, on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots, the EU can not be considered an acceptable Guarantor – not until at least Turkey becomes a FULL EU Member state.


Well, there we have it – Deadlock!

What's next?
Is that it?

There is only one solution, if you TCs will insist on Turkish unilateral invasion guarantees on an EU member state. This solution is for you to withdraw to an area equal to 3% of Cyprus, and then we will give you partition to do whatever you like with your area. On our side, as I explained to you many times, we will build around this area a 10 meter wall with electrocuting cables on top, and we will pretend that this area does not exist for us.

Kifeas,

Last time it was 8 meter wall, and now it's gone up to 10 meters and an electrocuting wire fence on top.!

Jesus Kifeas, how the hell do you expect Bananiot to go and have "Kelle" with Halil in the north from then on.!

[kurupetos]

Oracle, Humanist,

So what next then? How can we overcome this major stumbling block? Clearly Talat will not accept a deal without Turkish Guarantorship, and Christofias will never accept Talat's suggestion.

Due to the lack of reaction from the EU to the TCs after the Annan Plan in at least allowing the TCs to trade freely - keep its promises, do you not think that Talat may have a point?

Or

We will wait until Talat and Turkey change their mind and comply with democratic procedures. Until then the TCs will remain in their self-imposed isolation and Turkey outside of the EU.