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[Paphitis]

Last thing Australia is interested in is Cyprus!

Our Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is too busy negotiating the next multi billion dollar trade deals with Turkey.

That is what happens when Foreign Diplomacy and Trade are interlinked.

I would have thought that the very sizeable Greek emigre community in Australia would be ensuring that the Cyprus problem is not being forgotten by Australia, just like the Cuban emigre community in Florida is not making the USA forget about Cuba...

You are absolutely correct Utu. The Greek Community in Australia is very sizeable and is always taken quite seriously by Australian politicians, particularly at election time. The Greek Community also works very hard to keep certain issues such as Cyprus and FYROM in the spotlight.

How effective they are is another matter entirely. Although, the Greek lobby groups have recorded some major victories, such as is the case with the FYROM issue.

Australian diplomacy is quite flawed in that it is the only country in the world that has 1 Ministry in charge of both Foreign Affairs and Trade. There is a conflict here, as the country quite often favours good bilateral relations with other nations based on the size of that nation's investment and trade with Australia. This places Cyprus in a very precarious position. But Australian politicians will still tell the Greek Community what they want to hear during election times.

I think you will find that there is only one thing that greatly interests Australia in Cyprus. The smart ones can work it out.

[DT.]

Last thing Australia is interested in is Cyprus!

Our Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is too busy negotiating the next multi billion dollar trade deals with Turkey.

That is what happens when Foreign Diplomacy and Trade are interlinked.

I would have thought that the very sizeable Greek emigre community in Australia would be ensuring that the Cyprus problem is not being forgotten by Australia, just like the Cuban emigre community in Florida is not making the USA forget about Cuba...

You are absolutely correct Utu. The Greek Community in Australia is very sizeable and is always taken quite seriously by Australian politicians, particularly at election time. The Greek Community also works very hard to keep certain issues such as Cyprus and FYROM in the spotlight.

How effective they are is another matter entirely. Although, the Greek lobby groups have recorded some major victories, such as is the case with the FYROM issue.

Australian diplomacy is quite flawed in that it is the only country in the world that has 1 Ministry in charge of both Foreign Affairs and Trade. There is a conflict here, as the country quite often favours good bilateral relations with other nations based on the size of that nation's investment and trade with Australia. This places Cyprus in a very precarious position. But Australian politicians will still tell the Greek Community what they want to hear during election times.

I think you will find that there is only one thing that greatly interests Australia in Cyprus. The smart ones can work it out.

They want the technology we've developed and applied on our foukoues for their BBQ's?

[miltiades]

Cyprus without interference from Turkey and Greece would be in peace with it self , given time it might even discover the obvious , as stated on the Cypriot ID and passport .

As for the ROC government , it is high time that it does what it preaches in that it is the only legitimate government for the whole of CYPRUS , and that CYPRUS is an independent nation with part of it under Turkish occupation. Therefore as the only legitimate government it must realize that some of her citizens are neither Greek nor Turkish , but CYPRIOTS who are refered to as so by the international communities.

[DT.]

Cyprus without interference from Turkey and Greece would be in peace with it self , given time it might even discover the obvious , as stated on the Cypriot ID and passport .

As for the ROC government , it is high time that it does what it preaches in that it is the only legitimate government for the whole of CYPRUS , and that CYPRUS is an independent nation with part of it under Turkish occupation. Therefore as the only legitimate government it must realize that some of her citizens are neither Greek nor Turkish , but CYPRIOTS who are refered to as so by the international communities.

We look forward to seeing the new budget being drawn up to have a significant increase of govt income due to the expected payments it shall receive from the TC taxpayers then.

[Paphitis]

Last thing Australia is interested in is Cyprus!

Our Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is too busy negotiating the next multi billion dollar trade deals with Turkey.

That is what happens when Foreign Diplomacy and Trade are interlinked.

I would have thought that the very sizeable Greek emigre community in Australia would be ensuring that the Cyprus problem is not being forgotten by Australia, just like the Cuban emigre community in Florida is not making the USA forget about Cuba...

You are absolutely correct Utu. The Greek Community in Australia is very sizeable and is always taken quite seriously by Australian politicians, particularly at election time. The Greek Community also works very hard to keep certain issues such as Cyprus and FYROM in the spotlight.

How effective they are is another matter entirely. Although, the Greek lobby groups have recorded some major victories, such as is the case with the FYROM issue.

Australian diplomacy is quite flawed in that it is the only country in the world that has 1 Ministry in charge of both Foreign Affairs and Trade. There is a conflict here, as the country quite often favours good bilateral relations with other nations based on the size of that nation's investment and trade with Australia. This places Cyprus in a very precarious position. But Australian politicians will still tell the Greek Community what they want to hear during election times.

I think you will find that there is only one thing that greatly interests Australia in Cyprus. The smart ones can work it out.

They want the technology we've developed and applied on our foukoues for their BBQ's?

How did you know?

[miltiades]

Cyprus without interference from Turkey and Greece would be in peace with it self , given time it might even discover the obvious , as stated on the Cypriot ID and passport .

As for the ROC government , it is high time that it does what it preaches in that it is the only legitimate government for the whole of CYPRUS , and that CYPRUS is an independent nation with part of it under Turkish occupation. Therefore as the only legitimate government it must realize that some of her citizens are neither Greek nor Turkish , but CYPRIOTS who are referred to as so by the international communities.

We look forward to seeing the new budget being drawn up to have a significant increase of govt income due to the expected payments it shall receive from the TC taxpayers then.

I think you have missed the point I was making DT , in that we , the ROC , have to act as we preach . We tell the International community that we are an independent nation and that our government is the government of all Cypriots , let us act as we preach.

[Paphitis]

Last thing Australia is interested in is Cyprus!

Our Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade is too busy negotiating the next multi billion dollar trade deals with Turkey.

That is what happens when Foreign Diplomacy and Trade are interlinked.

I would have thought that the very sizeable Greek emigre community in Australia would be ensuring that the Cyprus problem is not being forgotten by Australia, just like the Cuban emigre community in Florida is not making the USA forget about Cuba...

Like you said... it's a Greek sizeable community and not a Cypriot one.

Greece holds Cyprus dearly, GR. If Australia did the unthinkable and recognized the north of Cyprus, you think that the Greek community living in Melbourne for example would not make their displeasure very plain? Part of my research in Turkish-Greek relations gave me information pertaining to some nasty run-ins between Turkish-Australians and Greek-Australians over the last few years. They are both very polarized politically, and have not been afraid to rather loudly and violently express their views at times. Cyprus is a hot-button issue and this applies to the Greek and Turkish communities all over the world.

Australia recognising the "trnc" will never happen, regardless of what the TCs think in their own fantasy world.

The Greeks and Turks in Australia are not really polarised as you seem to think. The live side by side in peace. Amazing that! There have been some minor sparks here or there, but all in all both communities seem to get along quite well.

[utu]

Cyprus without interference from Turkey and Greece would be in peace with it self , given time it might even discover the obvious , as stated on the Cypriot ID and passport .

As for the ROC government , it is high time that it does what it preaches in that it is the only legitimate government for the whole of CYPRUS , and that CYPRUS is an independent nation with part of it under Turkish occupation. Therefore as the only legitimate government it must realize that some of her citizens are neither Greek nor Turkish , but CYPRIOTS who are refered to as so by the international communities.

I've been hearing the argument that the RoCy government lacks the moral mandate due to it being based on the 1960 Constitution, and as we all know, the Turkish Cypriots have not had any participation since 1963. They don't like the RoCy government, and don't vote in it, so they don't like being told that the RoCy government speaks for them. To their way of thinking, it's logical, I suppose, but how would you counter that argument? Personally, any government I had no voice in electing I'd be leery of...

[miltiades]

Cyprus without interference from Turkey and Greece would be in peace with it self , given time it might even discover the obvious , as stated on the Cypriot ID and passport .

As for the ROC government , it is high time that it does what it preaches in that it is the only legitimate government for the whole of CYPRUS , and that CYPRUS is an independent nation with part of it under Turkish occupation. Therefore as the only legitimate government it must realize that some of her citizens are neither Greek nor Turkish , but CYPRIOTS who are refered to as so by the international communities.

I've been hearing the argument that the RoCy government lacks the moral mandate due to it being based on the 1960 Constitution, and as we all know, the Turkish Cypriots have not had any participation since 1963. They don't like the RoCy government, and don't vote in it, so they don't like being told that the RoCy government speaks for them. To their way of thinking, it's logical, I suppose, but how would you counter that argument? Personally, any government I had no voice in electing I'd be leery of...

I believe that the T/Cs do have the right to cast their votes in elections held by the ROC . Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can throw some light on the matter.

[Oracle]

.... We tell the International community that we are an independent nation and that our government is the government of all Cypriots , let us act as we preach.

Can someone explain to this old doddery codger, that there is a "small" technical hitch, in the shape of 40,000 Turkish troops, preventing the RoC from acting as she preaches, and it is not by some active volition by the RoC to be a "hypocrite" ....