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[MrH]

DT,

I believe the answer for the Turkish Cypriots on this subject is that perhaps with ADVANCED DNA monitoring techniques, we may actually identify that the Greek Cypriots killed in those troubled and bloody periods actually came from the Greek Mainland Coupists who (as clearly documented in the Newspapers of the time) were desperately trying to Eliminate the Greek Cypriot Liberals against the Greek military junta.

Britain is not stupid DT, they know very well that the Greek Cypriots of today have forcefully closed their eyes on the atrocities committed against them by their Greek compatriots in Greece in that period and have been trying to shove the blame on the Turkish Soldiers after the peace operation.

1) Turkey did not send that many Turkish Soldiers to Cyprus.

2) The Greek Cypriots murdered by the Greek Military Junta Coupists were prior to the Turkish Cyprus landings.

3) And, the Greek Cypriots killed, the majority, were Men, and not women and children, as clearly is want is being found in the Turkish Cypriot mass graves.

Also, the mass graves proves beyond any reasonable doubt how similar the Cyprus situation was, and is, to the Yugoslavian affair!

[zan]

DT,

I believe the answer for the Turkish Cypriots on this subject is that perhaps with ADVANCED DNA monitoring techniques, we may actually identify that the Greek Cypriots killed in those troubled and bloody periods actually came from the Greek Mainland Coupists who (as clearly documented in the Newspapers of the time) were desperately trying to Eliminate the Greek Cypriot Liberals against the Greek military junta.

Britain is not stupid DT, they know very well that the Greek Cypriots of today have forcefully closed their eyes on the atrocities committed against them by their Greek compatriots in Greece in that period and have been trying to shove the blame on the Turkish Soldiers after the peace operation.

1) Turkey did not send that many Turkish Soldiers to Cyprus.

2) The Greek Cypriots murdered by the Greek Military Junta Coupists were prior to the Turkish Cyprus landings.

3) And, the Greek Cypriots killed, the majority, were Men, and not women and children, as clearly is want is being found in the Turkish Cypriot mass graves.

Also, the mass graves proves beyond any reasonable doubt how similar the Cyprus situation was, and is, to the Yugoslavian affair!

Thanks for reviving this Mr. H. I forgot it...

Lets have it then DT....Give us a full run down of everything and we shall see what is what then. Not worthy arguing on a blow by blow basis...Lets have your FULL report.

[Get Real!]

DT,

I believe the answer for the Turkish Cypriots on this subject is that perhaps with ADVANCED DNA monitoring techniques, we may actually identify that the Greek Cypriots killed in those troubled and bloody periods actually came from the Greek Mainland Coupists who (as clearly documented in the Newspapers of the time) were desperately trying to Eliminate the Greek Cypriot Liberals against the Greek military junta.

Britain is not stupid DT, they know very well that the Greek Cypriots of today have forcefully closed their eyes on the atrocities committed against them by their Greek compatriots in Greece in that period and have been trying to shove the blame on the Turkish Soldiers after the peace operation.

1) Turkey did not send that many Turkish Soldiers to Cyprus.

2) The Greek Cypriots murdered by the Greek Military Junta Coupists were prior to the Turkish Cyprus landings.

3) And, the Greek Cypriots killed, the majority, were Men, and not women and children, as clearly is want is being found in the Turkish Cypriot mass graves.

Also, the mass graves proves beyond any reasonable doubt how similar the Cyprus situation was, and is, to the Yugoslavian affair!

When you joined this forum didn’t you see the big sign that read… “Kindly leave your colostomy bag outside of the CyProb” ...or do you just love making a complete fool of yourself?

[DT.]

I'll start with a little story that is well known to people but has surprisingly crossed my path these days.

My wife was explaining what happened to her, to her Pilate's (!) teacher the other day. Said teacher decided to reciprocate and tell her story. Kyrenia 1974, 15 or so people from a village nearby were lined up , the teachers father was holding her as a baby in his arms and her uncle was holding her sister (also a baby) The Turks opened fire, executing most. The uncle was shot dead and the little girl he was holding was shot in the leg. The teacher's father made a run for it and hid in a well (diatrisi) with her.

The Turkish soldiers left hastily and the family went back for the shot little girl.

They found a bullet resting on her bone in her leg. The uncle was never seen off again until a few months ago when his DNA was discovered. There were many others in that mass grave.
I've invited this woman to log in and share her story first hand with all of you, if she's ok with it you may even ask her things you may want to know about this.

I'll happily take this on because the crap I have been hearing recently from a few low life's in this forum about no missing/dead or executed GC's in the invasion has made me sick. I think it was MrH who said that the only people the Turk soldiers murdered were Greek (not Cypriot) SOLDIERS. No civilians, not even Cypriot soldiers.

Well here's the thing, those soldiers you call liberators and heroe's were nothing but an undiscplined horde of psycotic butchers that were out for gavur blood. And the countryside of Cyprus is filled with their work.

Education time boys.

[zan]

Any chance of starting from 1960?????

[Get Real!]

Any chance of starting from 1960?????

Not if you want to do a re-run of your toddler “memories”… (basically comprised of mammaries )

[halil]

FINANCIAL AID FOR MISSING PERSONS BY TURKEY

Turkey is continuing its financial support to the works being carried out for the identification of the missing persons in Cyprus.
The financial aid covering the 2008-2009 will be presented to President Mehmet Ali Talat today.
Speaking to the BRT, the Turkish Cypriot member of the Committee Gulden Plumer Kucuk pointed to the importance of Turkey’s every kind of contributions to the project and reminded that Turkey has been providing financial support to the project since 2007.
Noting that Turkey has provided $150.000 worth of aid for the period of 2007 and 2008, Mrs Kucuk said the amount of the aid covering the 2008 and 2009 will be announced today while it will be presented to President Talat.

[halil]

FINANCIAL AID FOR MISSING PERSONS BY TURKEY

Turkey is continuing its financial support to the works being carried out for the identification of the missing persons in Cyprus.
The financial aid covering the 2008-2009 will be presented to President Mehmet Ali Talat today.
Speaking to the BRT, the Turkish Cypriot member of the Committee Gulden Plumer Kucuk pointed to the importance of Turkey’s every kind of contributions to the project and reminded that Turkey has been providing financial support to the project since 2007.
Noting that Turkey has provided $150.000 worth of aid for the period of 2007 and 2008, Mrs Kucuk said the amount of the aid covering the 2008 and 2009 will be announced today while it will be presented to President Talat.

The Turkish Ambassador to Lefkosa Turkekul Kurtekkin visited the President to brief him about the donation.

Speaking during the visit, the Turkish Ambassador explained to President Mehmet Ali Talat that the Turkish government had decided to contribute financially to the Missing Person’s committees after he had passed on information sent to him by committee regarding the work done.

The Turkish Ambassador also stressed the importance of protecting the committee’s work against political exploitation.

For his part, President Talat praised the committee’s work and explained how important financial support is for the committee.

Stating that finding, exhuming and identifying people who went missing years ago was a difficult task, Talat said that the autonomous committee had achieved important progress in that direction since it was created.

Pointing out that the committee’s only goal is to solve this humanitarian problem without getting politics involved, Talat said “it is our greatest wish that this issue is solved as soon as possible.”

The Turkish Cypriot Member of the Committee Guleden Plumer Kucuk and the third member of the committee Christopher Girod, who were present at the meeting, thanked the Turkish government for their generous support.

[halil]

Lawyer calls for Truth Commisssion on missing to provide relatives with closure
By Stefanos Evripidou

‘There are 45 truth commissions in the world. We are not inventing the wheel here’

HUMAN RIGHTS lawyer Achilleas Demetriades yesterday called for urgent action to locate the missing persons of Cyprus and avoid losing another generation of relatives who “died in sorrow”.

Speaking at the University of Nicosia on establishing a Cyprus Truth Commission for the Missing Persons, Demetriades said a speedy resolution to the problem had to be found as people were dying without knowing the fate of their loved ones or the circumstances of their death.

“Most parents of the missing are dead. We have failed the parents. They died in sorrow,” he said.

The lawyer called for a sense of urgency to tackle the problem and provide some closure to the spouses, brothers, sisters and children of the missing.

“It’s a dilemma. We’ve lost one generation. Are we going to lose another?”

Demetriades argued that the work of the Committee on Missing Persons in Cyprus (CMP) would soon dry up, and no more burial sites would be found.

There are currently 1,995 people listed as missing in Cyprus (502 Turkish Cypriots and 1493 Greek Cypriots), who disappeared either during the intercommunal fighting in the 1960s or the 1974 Turkish invasion.

Despite 27 years in operation, the CMP only started to make inroads the last two years, during which 453 exhumations were carried out. From those, 105 of the missing have been identified, counting for around one fifth of the total.

However, the CMP’s mandate is restricted to finding and identifying the remains, not establishing cause of death.

“I think the CMP will run out of burial sites. Now, they’ve identified nearly 25 per cent of those missing. Let’s say they can only reach 50 per cent. What next? What is Plan B?” asked Demetriades.

The lawyer said the families of the missing had been let down over decades, referring to a news article in yesterday’s press which reported that more graves of “unknown soldiers” had been discovered in Nicosia.

“This is unacceptable. I cannot understand why they have not been dug up and the remains identified. You can talk about the Turks but what are we doing about these graves?”

In 1999, a burial site was discovered in a Lakatamia cemetery, where the National Guard had “dumped” a number of Greek Cypriots lost during the 1974 invasion in unmarked graves. Many still had identifiable items on them, like rings, watches or crosses. No one bothered to mention this or inform the families that missing people were buried there until 25 years later when exhumations began at the site.

“The families are devastated. They are dignified people who won’t go smashing up the House of Representatives like potato farmers. They placed their confidence in the government, which has failed them,” he added.

The case of Varnava vs. Turkey at the European Court of Human Rights clarified that failure by a state to account for the location of people last seen in their control amounted to inhuman treatment or torture.

This notion of a personal violation against the next of kin is currently being used by both Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot relatives of the missing against the Republic of Cyprus for failing to carry out an effective investigation. There are also cases launched against Turkey to find out the fate of loved ones or even if that has been established, the circumstances surrounding their death.

“Pain is uniform it does not discriminate. States have done wrong against the people, and they want some sort of justice. This is not divided on ethnic grounds.”

The human rights advocate called for the setting up of a Truth Commission to finally discover what happened to the missing. Apart from providing real closure to the families, it will also help the CMP locate all the missing, he argued.

The idea is to set up a truth commission, or redefine the CMP, and call on perpetrators of crimes to give details of what they did and where, showing remorse in the process. In return for the truth, they will be given immunity from criminal prosecution.

Demetriades suggested the commission didn’t have to be bicommunal in structure. “We could set up a mono-communal commission, and maybe the Turkish Cypriots would do the same,” he said.

“There are 45 truth commissions in the world. We are not inventing the wheel here.”

He acknowledged that truth for immunity might not be the most appropriate solution for Cyprus but highlighted the need for some semblance of public debate on the issue after decades in the dark.

“I don’t have patience anymore with those who say ‘don’t rock the boat’. I can’t find any other way to get this country moving,” he said.