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[DT.]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Iceman,

You must know by now, if not for few years, that Zan does not want his rights given to him under the Zürich agreements. No Sir, he just like to piss and moan about it, because he believes it gives him and all his NeoPartitionist clan the justification rights to divide the island. If Zan was sincere in wanting his 1960 Constitutional rights back, he would have lobbied his great hero Denktash for all the years he was the Dictatorial President and Puppet Talat in the last 5 years. Zan has done neither and neither did Denktash or Talat. Zan is just trying to blow some smoke up our asses and nothing more.

iceman

Are you being serious or just taking the piss????? I have been going on about the Zurich agreement for years and all I get from these people is that it was wrong to give us any form of partnership and we should just give it up and become a minority in our own country....

Kikapu

One thing that is consistent about you is the amount of shit that comes out . I have told you time and time again that I have only been active for maybe, at the most, four years. I started off with trying to get my rights back but have come up against shitheads like you that come up with propaganda and crazy ideas as an alternative to the Zurich agreement that will take away my rights under that agreement....How many times have you said that we do not deserve 30%...You really are a piece of work mate...You can't even keep on the same track for more than five minutes.


All

The crap we are getting here that the 13 points were just a proposal and that nothing has changed in the original constitution is unbelievable. Just because they present a document in front of you with words on you take it as read. The fact that they do not follow it seems to go over your heads. The fact that if Makarios did not obey the constitution and ignored the veto that we put up and the fact that it outlawed ENOSIS but Makarios still sought to achieve it is something that you will not accept. The aims of Greece and despots like Samson seem not to matter when making your conclusions as to what was really happening is just lunacy.

Let Christo come out and say that he is willing to go back to the original agreement. Bir has said that we should just give up what we have and go ask for it...Has there ever been a recorded offer??? Lets see it if there has been. Lets see it!!!!!!

And there you go, "IF" the constitution was not obeyed. You didn't stick around long enough to discuss, disagree or even reject. Your orders by TMT and Turkey where to get out of there fast. Idiots the GC's who proposed it and gave you that opportunity (although there was very little else the govt could do to get out of the impasse of bankruptcy and paralysis)

Have a listen to your friends on ATCA and listen to their characterisations against those that "Gave up the dream of Taksim in the 50's" and how thanks to those proposals they were able to re-activate that dream.

Your dishonesty and half truths are blatant and reminded to you by your fellow TC's.

[zan]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Iceman,

You must know by now, if not for few years, that Zan does not want his rights given to him under the Zürich agreements. No Sir, he just like to piss and moan about it, because he believes it gives him and all his NeoPartitionist clan the justification rights to divide the island. If Zan was sincere in wanting his 1960 Constitutional rights back, he would have lobbied his great hero Denktash for all the years he was the Dictatorial President and Puppet Talat in the last 5 years. Zan has done neither and neither did Denktash or Talat. Zan is just trying to blow some smoke up our asses and nothing more.

iceman

Are you being serious or just taking the piss????? I have been going on about the Zurich agreement for years and all I get from these people is that it was wrong to give us any form of partnership and we should just give it up and become a minority in our own country....

Kikapu

One thing that is consistent about you is the amount of shit that comes out . I have told you time and time again that I have only been active for maybe, at the most, four years. I started off with trying to get my rights back but have come up against shitheads like you that come up with propaganda and crazy ideas as an alternative to the Zurich agreement that will take away my rights under that agreement....How many times have you said that we do not deserve 30%...You really are a piece of work mate...You can't even keep on the same track for more than five minutes.


All

The crap we are getting here that the 13 points were just a proposal and that nothing has changed in the original constitution is unbelievable. Just because they present a document in front of you with words on you take it as read. The fact that they do not follow it seems to go over your heads. The fact that if Makarios did not obey the constitution and ignored the veto that we put up and the fact that it outlawed ENOSIS but Makarios still sought to achieve it is something that you will not accept. The aims of Greece and despots like Samson seem not to matter when making your conclusions as to what was really happening is just lunacy.

Let Christo come out and say that he is willing to go back to the original agreement. Bir has said that we should just give up what we have and go ask for it...Has there ever been a recorded offer??? Lets see it if there has been. Lets see it!!!!!!

And there you go, "IF" the constitution was not obeyed. You didn't stick around long enough to discuss, disagree or even reject. Your orders by TMT and Turkey where to get out of there fast. Idiots the GC's who proposed it and gave you that opportunity (although there was very little else the govt could do to get out of the impasse of bankruptcy and paralysis)

Have a listen to your friends on ATCA and listen to their characterisations against those that "Gave up the dream of Taksim in the 50's" and how thanks to those proposals they were able to re-activate that dream.

Your dishonesty and half truths are blatant and reminded to you by your fellow TC's.

Greek propaganda at its best....... The old old story of the economy and the 13 points needed...No mention of the armed guard at the doors of power that turned away the ministers that turned up for work.......You twist you turn...You burn....Those old stories are dying remnants of EOKA lies. Tpap being the main author of them. I think the ENOSIS aims would have been the main factor of ANY decision taken by Makarios mate.....His very many speeches show that to the world. Even if it were true, which it is not,.....The end result was a boon for the economy wasn't it...Gordon Brown eat your heart out.....

[doesntmatter]

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution

Where does it say that there can never be proposals to modify it, and especially given that it was brand new and untested?

"proposals" by use of armed force is hardly a "proposal".

You're talking rubbish. The TC overreaction to a piece of paper is why you and I are here today and not the other way round.

You call the agreemet signed by you a "piece of paper"?

It doesn’t and that’s why these people lost their lives defending the constitution…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21134.html

...so where were yours when this was happening?

Trying very hard to stay alive and not suffer the same fate as the Turks in Crete.

Rubbish again! Your leaders were too busy on the phone calling Turkey to come and implement your version of treason.

Our leaders were on the phone asking Turkey to come and save our lives while half of your ilk was the ones who were comitting treason against the then Cyprus Republic and killing their own people who were against union with Greece.

You are not going to tell me now that TCs were safe and not on the coupists "next to do" list had Turkey not intervened are you?

As for the rest of your crap... go back to sleep and keep out the CyProb section where you clearly don't belong.

A 2008 version of the events that happened in 1963, "you don't belong here, get out", a type of CF "enosis".

What next, are you going to get your big gun and force me out?

You want "enosis"? I want "Taksim".

[DT.]

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution

Where does it say that there can never be proposals to modify it, and especially given that it was brand new and untested?

"proposals" by use of armed force is hardly a "proposal".

You're talking rubbish. The TC overreaction to a piece of paper is why you and I are here today and not the other way round.

You call the agreemet signed by you a "piece of paper"?

It doesn’t and that’s why these people lost their lives defending the constitution…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21134.html

...so where were yours when this was happening?

Trying very hard to stay alive and not suffer the same fate as the Turks in Crete.

Rubbish again! Your leaders were too busy on the phone calling Turkey to come and implement your version of treason.

Our leaders were on the phone asking Turkey to come and save our lives while half of your ilk was the ones who were comitting treason against the then Cyprus Republic and killing their own people who were against union with Greece.

You are not going to tell me now that TCs were safe and not on the coupists "next to do" list had Turkey not intervened are you?

As for the rest of your crap... go back to sleep and keep out the CyProb section where you clearly don't belong.

A 2008 version of the events that happened in 1963, "you don't belong here, get out", a type of CF "enosis".

What next, are you going to get your big gun and force me out?

You want "enosis"? I want "Taksim".

Forget taksim you "need" medication

[Kifeas]

You want "enosis"? I want "Taksim".

What you want is irrelevant! You are farting with someone else’s ass! In the end, you will do what Turkey will tell you to do! What Turkey will decide to tell you to do, will depend on what her best interests will dictate, and will not sacrifice the interests of 85 million Turks for the sake of 85 thousand TCs! You only fart with someone else’s ass!