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[iceman]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

[doesntmatter]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution and also to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island by use of arms?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Are you actively lobbying for our rights that were taken away from us at gun point to be given back to us iceman?

[Get Real!]

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution

Where does it say that there can never be proposals to modify it, and especially given that it was brand new and untested?

...and also to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island by use of arms?

It doesn’t and that’s why these people lost their lives defending the constitution…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21134.html

...so where were yours when this was happening?

[iceman]

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution and also to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island by use of arms?

It doesn't mention anything about changing the constitution and if you care to do a research you will see that the constitution is/was NOT changed...

The thirteen amendments (which i do not approve) were no more than a proposal,but for some reason our side used this as an excuse not to return to the government and hand out all our rights to the GC's on a silver plate....

The Zurich Agreement does not give Turkey the right to turn half of the island into a little Turkey at gun point either!!

yes...rather than disappearing amongst the settlers Turkey imported after 1974,i prefer my rights given by the Zurich Agreement..

[doesntmatter]

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution and also to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island by use of arms?

It doesn't mention anything about changing the constitution and if you care to do a research you will see that the constitution is/was NOT changed...

I never even implied that it was changed iceman so why come up with the suggestion that I should research it.

The thirteen amendments (which i do not approve) were no more than a proposal,but for some reason our side used this as an excuse not to return to the government and hand out all our rights to the GC's on a silver plate....

"Some reason"? Could that reason be that we did not want to become Greek Muslims in a Greek owned island?

The Zurich Agreement does not give Turkey the right to turn half of the island into a little Turkey at gun point either!!

We had two choices only, either become extinct as Turkish Cypriots on a Greek island or make sure that we survive and not suffer the same fate as the Turks in Crete.

yes...rather than disappearing amongst the settlers Turkey imported after 1974,i prefer my rights given by the Zurich Agreement..

I'd rather "disappear" amongst those who saved my life than those who tried to eliminate my people.

You forgot to answer one of my questions, are you actively lobbying for our rights that were taken away at gun point to be given back to us iceman?

One more question I hope you would not mind answering.

Can you tell me why the GCs are still demanding changes to the original Zurich agreements and not suggesting that we go back to pre 1963?

[Kikapu]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Iceman,

You must know by now, if not for few years, that Zan does not want his rights given to him under the Zürich agreements. No Sir, he just like to piss and moan about it, because he believes it gives him and all his NeoPartitionist clan the justification rights to divide the island. If Zan was sincere in wanting his 1960 Constitutional rights back, he would have lobbied his great hero Denktash for all the years he was the Dictatorial President and Puppet Talat in the last 5 years. Zan has done neither and neither did Denktash or Talat. Zan is just trying to blow some smoke up our asses and nothing more.

[doesntmatter]

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution

Where does it say that there can never be proposals to modify it, and especially given that it was brand new and untested?

"proposals" by use of armed force is hardly a "proposal".

...and also to turn Cyprus in to a Greek island by use of arms?

It doesn’t and that’s why these people lost their lives defending the constitution…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21134.html

...so where were yours when this was happening?[/quote]

Trying very hard to stay alive and not suffer the same fate as the Turks in Crete.

I can't read Greek but all the dates in that list are from 1974, a period where Makarios and some GCs had [supposidly] changed their minds about union with Greece. What were these people and the rest of the GCs, including Makarios, doing during the period of 1963 through to 1974?

a) Fighting the Greek army against union with Greece or,

b)Killing TCs together with the Greeks from Greece FOR union with Greece?

What changed their minds to become "Cypriots" and fight against the Greeks of Greece?

[utu]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Zan,

I think a unitary state can work. Think: Do what the Greeks desire in a lower house of representatives, but - as has been suggested - have an upper house or senate made up of an equal number of representatives from all four main ethnic communities. The senate will be the safety valve, and the constitutional ammendment for this will mean that if any senator from any group is not present, then there is no quorum and therfore, no laws will be endorsed. Let's be honest, 30% of seats for 18% of the population was going a little bit too far, but a senate would ensure no discriminatory laws being passed.

[Get Real!]

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

Maybe iceman would like to tell us where in the Zuric agreements it mentions the right to change the Cyprus constitution

Where does it say that there can never be proposals to modify it, and especially given that it was brand new and untested?

"proposals" by use of armed force is hardly a "proposal".

You're talking rubbish. The TC overreaction to a piece of paper is why you and I are here today and not the other way round.

It doesn’t and that’s why these people lost their lives defending the constitution…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21134.html

...so where were yours when this was happening?

Trying very hard to stay alive and not suffer the same fate as the Turks in Crete.

Rubbish again! Your leaders were too busy on the phone calling Turkey to come and implement your version of treason.

As for the rest of your crap... go back to sleep and keep out the CyProb section where you clearly don't belong.

[zan]

Zan,

The internet has really been a great boon, hasn't it? Thanks to it's reach, you're certainly not alone, and you also know that WW2 ended quite a long time ago....

And the Cyprob still rages on.....

What are you saying utu...Are you also saying that we should give into the fate accompli of the GCs taking away my rights under the Zurich agreement???Lets hear the war busting version of the solution to the Cyprob that you have in mind.......The peace accords didn't do it...The A Plan didn't do it.....What would be your solution???? The only people that think the war is over is the Turks......The "RoC" only accepts a cease fire or the Green line would be a border which would see the whole problem change...Which is it to be??? I would like to hear from iceman on that one too as he thinks its over......

Zan
Nice to hear you mention the Zurich agreements for a change...
Do you care to show me where in the Zurich agreements it mentions the right to split the island and set up an "independent" republic?

I'll join you any day to fight for our rights given to us by the Zurich agreements...

Iceman,

You must know by now, if not for few years, that Zan does not want his rights given to him under the Zürich agreements. No Sir, he just like to piss and moan about it, because he believes it gives him and all his NeoPartitionist clan the justification rights to divide the island. If Zan was sincere in wanting his 1960 Constitutional rights back, he would have lobbied his great hero Denktash for all the years he was the Dictatorial President and Puppet Talat in the last 5 years. Zan has done neither and neither did Denktash or Talat. Zan is just trying to blow some smoke up our asses and nothing more.

iceman

Are you being serious or just taking the piss????? I have been going on about the Zurich agreement for years and all I get from these people is that it was wrong to give us any form of partnership and we should just give it up and become a minority in our own country....

Kikapu

One thing that is consistent about you is the amount of shit that comes out . I have told you time and time again that I have only been active for maybe, at the most, four years. I started off with trying to get my rights back but have come up against shitheads like you that come up with propaganda and crazy ideas as an alternative to the Zurich agreement that will take away my rights under that agreement....How many times have you said that we do not deserve 30%...You really are a piece of work mate...You can't even keep on the same track for more than five minutes.


All

The crap we are getting here that the 13 points were just a proposal and that nothing has changed in the original constitution is unbelievable. Just because they present a document in front of you with words on you take it as read. The fact that they do not follow it seems to go over your heads. The fact that if Makarios did not obey the constitution and ignored the veto that we put up and the fact that it outlawed ENOSIS but Makarios still sought to achieve it is something that you will not accept. The aims of Greece and despots like Samson seem not to matter when making your conclusions as to what was really happening is just lunacy.

Let Christo come out and say that he is willing to go back to the original agreement. Bir has said that we should just give up what we have and go ask for it...Has there ever been a recorded offer??? Lets see it if there has been. Lets see it!!!!!!