Cyprus-Forum.com

[utu]

Unfortunately, the moral reasons against invasions & occupations are insufficient for some people out there to acknowledge and condemn them, so I always aim to explain the technical reasons instead, and find that people respond more positively to this approach.

Tell that to folk like Expatkiwi and Zan, GR. They might disagree with you there...

Expat received his explanations too...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

...as for Zan I've lost count how many times.

No offense, GR, but you did threaten Expatkiwi, plus you have gone out of your way to ridicule and discredit him. He as much said that you were simply incapable of having a dispassionate debate with. Judging from the various posts you have made, there is a degree of truth to that. In my e-mail communications with him, he has spoken about an "illogical Greek antipathy to dissenting opinions". Don't you think your responses to him don't do anything more than reinforce that view?

Read the thread when you've got the time and find out why...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13280

I've read it. I also noticed that you started that thread under that title... evidentally before you found out that he was indeed a New Zealander. You waved a red flag to a bull, GR. You think he was not going to answer that challenge? A misniformed foreigner is one thing, but you accused him of being an agent provocateur.

[Viewpoint]

What made Turkey a "proprietor" of Cyprus, MrH-kid? The fact that it was once occupied by the ottomans! Listen illiterate little kid, who the proprietor of a place is, is no one else other than the indigenous people that inhabit it, and not whoever more powerful once invaded and occupied it! You indeed have a nerve, and I feel sorry for those (including myself) that consider replying to your inconsiderate, provocative and many times insulting posts in this forum. I would like to suggest to them to ignore you, since there is no way they will ever be able to make sense with such a brainwashed and one-side little fanatic. If you want to participate in a forum like this, first go and open at least one single neutral book on Cyprus, outside all the rubbish you have been coughed to read from ATCA website and the likes of it. Once you become able to see the Cyprus issue in a slightly more round and balanced way, instead of the mono-dimensional one you currently do, we may consider taking you any more seriously than we currently do.

Have you ever considered you are the brainwashed person? but how would you know your brainwashed.

You could also ask yourself if you have been brainwashed as well, Viewpoint... Education in both parts of Cyprus do tend to influence students to see the same things differently...

I was educated abroad.

[utu]

What made Turkey a "proprietor" of Cyprus, MrH-kid? The fact that it was once occupied by the ottomans! Listen illiterate little kid, who the proprietor of a place is, is no one else other than the indigenous people that inhabit it, and not whoever more powerful once invaded and occupied it! You indeed have a nerve, and I feel sorry for those (including myself) that consider replying to your inconsiderate, provocative and many times insulting posts in this forum. I would like to suggest to them to ignore you, since there is no way they will ever be able to make sense with such a brainwashed and one-side little fanatic. If you want to participate in a forum like this, first go and open at least one single neutral book on Cyprus, outside all the rubbish you have been coughed to read from ATCA website and the likes of it. Once you become able to see the Cyprus issue in a slightly more round and balanced way, instead of the mono-dimensional one you currently do, we may consider taking you any more seriously than we currently do.

Have you ever considered you are the brainwashed person? but how would you know your brainwashed.

You could also ask yourself if you have been brainwashed as well, Viewpoint... Education in both parts of Cyprus do tend to influence students to see the same things differently...

I was educated abroad.

Abroad as in Turkey? Sorry, but I had to ask this question.

[Viewpoint]

What made Turkey a "proprietor" of Cyprus, MrH-kid? The fact that it was once occupied by the ottomans! Listen illiterate little kid, who the proprietor of a place is, is no one else other than the indigenous people that inhabit it, and not whoever more powerful once invaded and occupied it! You indeed have a nerve, and I feel sorry for those (including myself) that consider replying to your inconsiderate, provocative and many times insulting posts in this forum. I would like to suggest to them to ignore you, since there is no way they will ever be able to make sense with such a brainwashed and one-side little fanatic. If you want to participate in a forum like this, first go and open at least one single neutral book on Cyprus, outside all the rubbish you have been coughed to read from ATCA website and the likes of it. Once you become able to see the Cyprus issue in a slightly more round and balanced way, instead of the mono-dimensional one you currently do, we may consider taking you any more seriously than we currently do.

Have you ever considered you are the brainwashed person? but how would you know your brainwashed.

You could also ask yourself if you have been brainwashed as well, Viewpoint... Education in both parts of Cyprus do tend to influence students to see the same things differently...

I was educated abroad.

Abroad as in Turkey? Sorry, but I had to ask this question.

UK

[Kikapu]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

[doesntmatter]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

Is that normal in the UK?

[Kikapu]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

Is that normal in the UK?

They did not have to be formal education, but UK being part of the Western Civilization countries, you would think that VP could have picked up on basics of these important subjects. He was born and raised there, all 30 years of his life. I can understand if he was raised in any of the Muslim countries or communist and banana states where these subjects are not regarded important, but in the UK.

Actually, Zan is as bad as VP when it comes to respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws. Oh, and by the way, he too has spent all of his life in the UK, except for the first 2-3 years of his life.

[zan]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

This from a man that is now trying to tell us that he supports the Zurich agreement.....I bet your education was all in Greek.....

[Kikapu]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

This from a man that is now trying to tell us that he supports the Zurich agreement.....I bet your education was all in Greek.....

Actually I do not support it, because it is Undemocratic and Racist, both to the GC's and the TC's, but I know you love it, because it gave the 20% minority TC's far greater advantages over the 80% majority GC's. The other reason as to why I do not like it, it's because it brought bad times to all Cypriots, but you Zan, the one who was raised in a Democratic country with all the western values, did not learn a damn thing about Democracy and Human Rights, because all you talk about is your rights under the Zürich agreements being denied to you, and yet no one from the TC community has ever ask for it back since 1963, including you. You just make noise, that's all, because returning back the Zürich agreements will mean that there is no longer "trnc", no 40,000 Turkish Troops, no 200,000 thousand illegal settlers from Turkey, no stolen GC land held hostage, no 200,000 GC refugees and 50,000 TC refugees, no more "Haram Money" made from dealing in stolen GC properties, no flags on "graffiti mountain", just to name a few. 0h, what you in fact want to see happen, is to maintain all that I have listed above and have your Zürich agreements.! You don't ask for much, do you Zan.? Well, you almost got away with it with the Annan Plan 2004.! The AP would have solved all your problems, other than few more wars, that's all.!

Now Zan, do you still want your Zürich agreements back, or you just want to keep what it doesn't belong to you in the north.? One or the other Zan.

[zan]

VP,

I bet your education did not include respecting Democracy, Human Right and International laws.!

This from a man that is now trying to tell us that he supports the Zurich agreement.....I bet your education was all in Greek.....

Actually I do not support it, because it is Undemocratic and Racist, both to the GC's and the TC's, but I know you love it, because it gave the 20% minority TC's far greater advantages over the 80% majority GC's. The other reason as to why I do not like it, it's because it brought bad times to all Cypriots, but you Zan, the one who was raised in a Democratic country with all the western values, did not learn a damn thing about Democracy and Human Rights, because all you talk about is your rights under the Zürich agreements being denied to you, and yet no one from the TC community has ever ask for it back since 1963, including you. You just make noise, that's all, because returning back the Zürich agreements will mean that there is no longer "trnc", no 40,000 Turkish Troops, no 200,000 thousand illegal settlers from Turkey, no stolen GC land held hostage, no 200,000 GC refugees and 50,000 TC refugees, no more "Haram Money" made from dealing in stolen GC properties, no flags on "graffiti mountain", just to name a few. 0h, what you in fact want to see happen, is to maintain all that I have listed above and have your Zürich agreements.! You don't ask for much, do you Zan.? Well, you almost got away with it with the Annan Plan 2004.! The AP would have solved all your problems, other than few more wars, that's all.!

Now Zan, do you still want your Zürich agreements back, or you just want to keep what it doesn't belong to you in the north.? One or the other Zan.

Of course you prefer haram money made from the blood of TCs......We had a constitution lover and it was not democratic enough so you take it away undemocratically and give me some cock and bull about wanting democracy.... You have no idea what the hell you are talking about...You are blowing smoke up your own arse but it is coming out of your years...Nothing to stop it!!!

We have no graffiti mountain any more....The words ENOSIS were removed and a much better emblem put in its place.


Can you also show me anything that shows the GCs offering us a return to the Zurich agreement??? Please!!!!