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[zan]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

They invite their little friends over for some tea and murder (Greece) who turns on them and starts killing their brothers, we then invite our big friend over who not only stops the killing of their brothers but the killing of us and they tell the world it was their house to start with...Kikapu is just one mixed up kid who thinks he is Greek.......He has the "RoC".......Keep it Kiks....

Zan, you are yet to answer DT's question to you, as to whether your sister is building her apartment in the north on stolen GC land. This is a relevant question to ask all you NeoPartitionist at this point, because your lame excuses of why the Turkish Occupation of the north is on going at the present time in Cyprus has nothing to with security of the TC's. Those that have bought stolen GC properties and making a "HARAM MONEY" to live of it are the ones that need the occupying army and a non solution based on Fair and Just for all Cypriots, because of GREED in most cases. You are all afraid of a True Federal solution to Cyprus, because it will mean the end of the "Gravy Train". I'm very happy to hear many decent TC's on this forum who does not share the views of the NeoPartitionist. Too bad for all the Morally Corrupted individuals who engage in "Haram Money" that they are gaining on others properties, and to think that they are feeding their families with this money and expect good thing to happen to them in the future...... Keep on dreaming, Zan.

Big speach about nothing....Ask DT whether I answered him and try to keep up in future........

[zan]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

So VP, just how many GC's are living with you in your house right now, since they are joint owners according to you. You are only joint owners of the country of Cyprus and not their property also. Not only you are denying them the use of the land as joint owners in the north but instead only enjoying it by yourselves and the "quests" you have invited to kick out your joint owners, but you are also denying them the use of their homes that you yourself is enjoying and in most cases, you have given them to the strangers you have "invited" to live in those houses.

Some joint owner you are.!

I think you have been smoking a joint mate.....The chaps that are not enjoying our part of the house have taken the deeds and will not give them back......When they do then the barricades can come down......The bloody crooks are trying to take our house and home when they started the fight in the first place...If you want to lodge with them then you ARE FREE TO DO SO.....BYEEEE!!!! GALI NIKTA.....

The "deeds" are there to claim if you want to. What you want is something different, which is to be a 50-50 joint owners on the "deeds" but limit the usage of the property of your other joint owner. As Nikitas often stated, and that is, you want to be partners in the south, and masters in the north, all the while claiming joint ownership to everything. Not a bad deal if you can talk the GC's to bend over for you really, but since they said NO to such a contraption designed to do that, the Annan Plan, which would have forced them to bend over BIG time, however, since that did not happen, the only option left for you now is a "hand job" I'm afraid Zan.!

Utter bull yet again What is the matter with you......

I have asked for the return of my rights in full under the Zurich agreement or a 70/30 splis...What ever it is you are talking about had better wait until you are better and try again

[utu]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

[zan]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

I am not sure on these issues utu but the TRNC has tried to achieve it with Nato and was refused as far as I know. It is not something I worry about because the TRNC has never asked Turkey to leave. Bottom line...I don't know.

[utu]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

I am not sure on these issues utu but the TRNC has tried to achieve it with Nato and was refused as far as I know. It is not something I worry about because the TRNC has never asked Turkey to leave. Bottom line...I don't know.

But logically if Turkey recognizes the north as sovereign, and that the Turkish military is there by invitation of the northern administration, then there would have to be logically a treaty regulating this: a Staus of Forces agreement. If there isn't, then by the purest definition of the word, it is an occupation and not a protective force.

[zan]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

I am not sure on these issues utu but the TRNC has tried to achieve it with Nato and was refused as far as I know. It is not something I worry about because the TRNC has never asked Turkey to leave. Bottom line...I don't know.

But logically if Turkey recognizes the north as sovereign, and that the Turkish military is there by invitation of the northern administration, then there would have to be logically a treaty regulating this: a Staus of Forces agreement. If there isn't, then by the purest definition of the word, it is an occupation and not a protective force.

There hve been others utu according to this :
http://books.google.com/books?id=jaKlYW ... t#PPA57,M1

Take a look.

[utu]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

I am not sure on these issues utu but the TRNC has tried to achieve it with Nato and was refused as far as I know. It is not something I worry about because the TRNC has never asked Turkey to leave. Bottom line...I don't know.

But logically if Turkey recognizes the north as sovereign, and that the Turkish military is there by invitation of the northern administration, then there would have to be logically a treaty regulating this: a Staus of Forces agreement. If there isn't, then by the purest definition of the word, it is an occupation and not a protective force.

There hve been others utu according to this :
http://books.google.com/books?id=jaKlYW ... t#PPA57,M1

Take a look.

Interesting article, but I was referring to Turkey vis-a-vis the northern administration; not the UN. If Turkey recognizes the north, then a status of forces agreement between it and the north is - in Turkey's eyes at least - legal.

[zan]

Zan,

Is there a (to use the U.S. term) "Status of Forces Agreement" between the northern Administration and Turkey? If so, is there a place on the internet to read it?

I am not sure on these issues utu but the TRNC has tried to achieve it with Nato and was refused as far as I know. It is not something I worry about because the TRNC has never asked Turkey to leave. Bottom line...I don't know.

But logically if Turkey recognizes the north as sovereign, and that the Turkish military is there by invitation of the northern administration, then there would have to be logically a treaty regulating this: a Staus of Forces agreement. If there isn't, then by the purest definition of the word, it is an occupation and not a protective force.

There hve been others utu according to this :
http://books.google.com/books?id=jaKlYW ... t#PPA57,M1

Take a look.

Interesting article, but I was referring to Turkey vis-a-vis the northern administration; not the UN. If Turkey recognizes the north, then a status of forces agreement between it and the north is - in Turkey's eyes at least - legal.

As I said utu..I really don't know. The facts in Cyprus never make sense..Only in strange ways.......I should be sitting in Cyprus right now as a TC but am not.....I should be able to bring my children up as Cypriots under the Zurich agreement but am not...Go figure....

[Nikitas]

"Greek Cypriots who continue to benefit as one of the most subsidised countries in the world,"

And who is giiving these subsidies? So I can go and claim some for me!

Where do you get your information from? Can you tell us if Cyprus is a net contributor or a net receiver of money from the EU? Last I heard it was a net contributor.

[Viewpoint]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

So VP, just how many GC's are living with you in your house right now, since they are joint owners according to you. You are only joint owners of the country of Cyprus and not their property also. Not only you are denying them the use of the land as joint owners in the north but instead only enjoying it by yourselves and the "quests" you have invited to kick out your joint owners, but you are also denying them the use of their homes that you yourself is enjoying and in most cases, you have given them to the strangers you have "invited" to live in those houses.

Some joint owner you are.!

They have 63% of the house maybe not the specific rooms they desire but when the shit hit the fan we didnt have time to choose and pick.

A post you made to zan with sexual innuendos was disgusting you have really stooped to an all time low, all it shows is that you have no real arguments just a load of bull.