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[zan]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

They invite their little friends over for some tea and murder (Greece) who turns on them and starts killing their brothers, we then invite our big friend over who not only stops the killing of their brothers but the killing of us and they tell the world it was their house to start with...Kikapu is just one mixed up kid who thinks he is Greek.......He has the "RoC".......Keep it Kiks....

These people are unbelievable and very insincere.

They are bullshitters VP...Plain and simple...Their lies will be their downfall. We should thank them really!!!

[utu]

Mr. H raises an interesting question: are the sanctions in place gainst the north punishing the wrong people? Justice demands the punishment of wrongdoers, but just as in Zimbabwe - where targeted sanctions and penalities affect sertain memebers of their government - perhaps there should be something similar put into place here... Hurting those who do not warrant it is only going to breed more resentment...

[Kikapu]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

So VP, just how many GC's are living with you in your house right now, since they are joint owners according to you. You are only joint owners of the country of Cyprus and not their property also. Not only you are denying them the use of the land as joint owners in the north but instead only enjoying it by yourselves and the "quests" you have invited to kick out your joint owners, but you are also denying them the use of their homes that you yourself is enjoying and in most cases, you have given them to the strangers you have "invited" to live in those houses.

Some joint owner you are.!

[zan]

Mr. H raises an interesting question: are the sanctions in place gainst the north punishing the wrong people? Justice demands the punishment of wrongdoers, but just as in Zimbabwe - where targeted sanctions and penalities affect sertain memebers of their government - perhaps there should be something similar put into place here... Hurting those who do not warrant it is only going to breed more resentment...

That is what has been happening since 1963 utu.....The GCs that murdered walk free....The coupists walk free......

[zan]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

So VP, just how many GC's are living with you in your house right now, since they are joint owners according to you. You are only joint owners of the country of Cyprus and not their property also. Not only you are denying them the use of the land as joint owners in the north but instead only enjoying it by yourselves and the "quests" you have invited to kick out your joint owners, but you are also denying them the use of their homes that you yourself is enjoying and in most cases, you have given them to the strangers you have "invited" to live in those houses.

Some joint owner you are.!

I think you have been smoking a joint mate.....The chaps that are not enjoying our part of the house have taken the deeds and will not give them back......When they do then the barricades can come down......The bloody crooks are trying to take our house and home when they started the fight in the first place...If you want to lodge with them then you ARE FREE TO DO SO.....BYEEEE!!!! GALI NIKTA.....

[utu]

Mr. H raises an interesting question: are the sanctions in place gainst the north punishing the wrong people? Justice demands the punishment of wrongdoers, but just as in Zimbabwe - where targeted sanctions and penalities affect sertain memebers of their government - perhaps there should be something similar put into place here... Hurting those who do not warrant it is only going to breed more resentment...

That is what has been happening since 1963 utu.....The GCs that murdered walk free....The coupists walk free......

Don't you think that response is a little too emotional, Zan? The point is that unfortunately sanctions do hurt the wrong people. The strategy being used in Zimbabwe is supposed to target only the wrongdoers, but so far, that failed state is still somehow managing to survive...

[Jerry]

WE, TCs, say that Cyprus is an Island with TWO EQUAL PARTNER Peoples, while the GCs believe that we should remain as a Protected Minority under a Majority GC lead government.

That's Just about it.

Your claim to be one of "TWO EQUAL PARTNER Peoples" is based on the the Zurich Agreement I suppose. An "agreement" that was forced on the GCs by the retreating colonial power. You are a minority but you see yourselves as a nation of very special supermen who deserve and are entitled to a status that no other democracy in the world confers on its citizens.

If you are so bloody special how come you can't run your economy without being propped up by Turkey?

PS Please don't bore me with "isolation" as an answer.

You place a knife in my back and then you say you dont want to know about it and then you have the nerve to say why are you bleeding all the place and accepting help from a nurse.

Wake up VP! Your "response" to my post makes absolutely no sense at all, I think you chose the wrong one!

[zan]

Mr. H raises an interesting question: are the sanctions in place gainst the north punishing the wrong people? Justice demands the punishment of wrongdoers, but just as in Zimbabwe - where targeted sanctions and penalities affect sertain memebers of their government - perhaps there should be something similar put into place here... Hurting those who do not warrant it is only going to breed more resentment...

That is what has been happening since 1963 utu.....The GCs that murdered walk free....The coupists walk free......

Don't you think that response is a little too emotional, Zan? The point is that unfortunately sanctions do hurt the wrong people. The strategy being used in Zimbabwe is supposed to target only the wrongdoers, but so far, that failed state is still somehow managing to survive...

If you understand what sanctions are supposed to do then it can be a great weapon. Not only is it supposed to starve the people out but cause a bloody uprising that does the fighting for them.....We have no such intentions of doing that to Turkey. The great Greek scheme has failed and will do......

[Kikapu]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

They invite their little friends over for some tea and murder (Greece) who turns on them and starts killing their brothers, we then invite our big friend over who not only stops the killing of their brothers but the killing of us and they tell the world it was their house to start with...Kikapu is just one mixed up kid who thinks he is Greek.......He has the "RoC".......Keep it Kiks....

Zan, you are yet to answer DT's question to you, as to whether your sister is building her apartment in the north on stolen GC land. This is a relevant question to ask all you NeoPartitionist at this point, because your lame excuses of why the Turkish Occupation of the north is on going at the present time in Cyprus has nothing to with security of the TC's. Those that have bought stolen GC properties and making a "HARAM MONEY" to live of it are the ones that need the occupying army and a non solution based on Fair and Just for all Cypriots, because of GREED in most cases. You are all afraid of a True Federal solution to Cyprus, because it will mean the end of the "Gravy Train". I'm very happy to hear many decent TC's on this forum who does not share the views of the NeoPartitionist. Too bad for all the Morally Corrupted individuals who engage in "Haram Money" that they are gaining on others properties, and to think that they are feeding their families with this money and expect good thing to happen to them in the future...... Keep on dreaming, Zan.

[Kikapu]

DT:

Why is the north not illegally occupied?

Because we, Turkish Cypriots, do not view it as an "Occupation", but more as an invitation.

How can you invite a stranger to someone else's house that does not belong to you. When you do that, both you and the stranger become illegal occupiers of someone else's house. If you do not agree with this, then let me know where you live and I'll come over with some "muscles" to camp out in your living room, rent free of course, while you get kicked out, and lets see if you will like it. You cannot invite others to a place that does not belong to you, and if you do it by force, then you then become illegal occupiers. Very simple really.

What if we are joint owners?

So VP, just how many GC's are living with you in your house right now, since they are joint owners according to you. You are only joint owners of the country of Cyprus and not their property also. Not only you are denying them the use of the land as joint owners in the north but instead only enjoying it by yourselves and the "quests" you have invited to kick out your joint owners, but you are also denying them the use of their homes that you yourself is enjoying and in most cases, you have given them to the strangers you have "invited" to live in those houses.

Some joint owner you are.!

I think you have been smoking a joint mate.....The chaps that are not enjoying our part of the house have taken the deeds and will not give them back......When they do then the barricades can come down......The bloody crooks are trying to take our house and home when they started the fight in the first place...If you want to lodge with them then you ARE FREE TO DO SO.....BYEEEE!!!! GALI NIKTA.....

The "deeds" are there to claim if you want to. What you want is something different, which is to be a 50-50 joint owners on the "deeds" but limit the usage of the property of your other joint owner. As Nikitas often stated, and that is, you want to be partners in the south, and masters in the north, all the while claiming joint ownership to everything. Not a bad deal if you can talk the GC's to bend over for you really, but since they said NO to such a contraption designed to do that, the Annan Plan, which would have forced them to bend over BIG time, however, since that did not happen, the only option left for you now is a "hand job" I'm afraid Zan.!