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[DT.]

There is really one quick way out of our predicament...For Talat to dissolve the trnc and demand to return to the ROC under the 1960 agreements and Constitution...But he has neither the wisdom nor the power to do that...

I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened if Turkey leaves the tap turned off for too long… the man is getting very desperate.

The sad thing is,GR, Turkey thinks Talat has grown too big for his boots,and cannot be trusted any longer...They are getting ready to dump him for Dervish Eroglu,an uncompromising Turkish nationalist...You might yet get to miss Talat...

Perhaps it’s an opportunity for the RoC to bail him out… what’s that figure again 500m p/a? Surely the RoC can pay that and buy them off…

This is no laughing matter,GR!

The Military,the Establishment,and the "deep sate" never trusted TAlat in the first place....Now the AKP government are having second thoughts...
Probably for two reasons...One,they don't think he is Turkish and Islamic enough...Two,as Tim alluded to above,ERdogan is being drown closer and closer to the Military which would be much more comfortable with someone like Eroglu in charge of the negotiations...We have at most 18 months to find a solution,after that the Partitionists'dreams would most probably be realised...Agreed or not...

Poor president Talat...Bir says Turkey doesn't want him and iceman says (he knows best because he lives in Cyprus) that Talat has become Turkeys yes man.....The GCs do not have to fight us...We are doing a fantastic job for them as they had planned.....

Bir.......Do you agree with the fact that when Makarios ordered his supporters to put down their arms against the Coupists the killings continued and would have done until completion. If so how can you ask us to give up our position and go in bare arsed to see what we can get. I don't know how you think when you want to grovel to a hostile people but I have no intention of doing that. If that comes about we deserve everything we get...Which will be not much. The Greeks have been erasing everything Turkish from their system for centuries and the evidence shows that nothing has changed... Turkish words have disappeared and replaced with Greek is one example...The idea that you could think that anyone is going to give you a single biscuit is just beyond me. The world does not work that way. We are partners in Cyprus and you want to give that up and go cap in hand to a people that have tried to starve, kill, or trick us into submission. I really have no idea where you are coming from. I understand your good intentions for humanity but the real world is a dog eat dog one. I pity the lamb that walk into the lions cage.

You've renamed the entire 1/3 of the island. You've erased names that were there in BC times! Is your brain keeping up with your typing?

Is yours..That is the question DT....You have been doing it for centuries and you take 40 years as an affront.....Why am I not surprised.....The fact that there have always been Turkish names for these places ( that you well know) is another factor that you chose to ignore...Keep going mate.....Shows my people more and more how you guys are trying to trick us as well as the world......Not going to happen....

Zan, your tribe appeared in 1570, how could there have always been Turkish names?

[zan]

There is really one quick way out of our predicament...For Talat to dissolve the trnc and demand to return to the ROC under the 1960 agreements and Constitution...But he has neither the wisdom nor the power to do that...

I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened if Turkey leaves the tap turned off for too long… the man is getting very desperate.

The sad thing is,GR, Turkey thinks Talat has grown too big for his boots,and cannot be trusted any longer...They are getting ready to dump him for Dervish Eroglu,an uncompromising Turkish nationalist...You might yet get to miss Talat...

Perhaps it’s an opportunity for the RoC to bail him out… what’s that figure again 500m p/a? Surely the RoC can pay that and buy them off…

This is no laughing matter,GR!

The Military,the Establishment,and the "deep sate" never trusted TAlat in the first place....Now the AKP government are having second thoughts...
Probably for two reasons...One,they don't think he is Turkish and Islamic enough...Two,as Tim alluded to above,ERdogan is being drown closer and closer to the Military which would be much more comfortable with someone like Eroglu in charge of the negotiations...We have at most 18 months to find a solution,after that the Partitionists'dreams would most probably be realised...Agreed or not...

Poor president Talat...Bir says Turkey doesn't want him and iceman says (he knows best because he lives in Cyprus) that Talat has become Turkeys yes man.....The GCs do not have to fight us...We are doing a fantastic job for them as they had planned.....

Bir.......Do you agree with the fact that when Makarios ordered his supporters to put down their arms against the Coupists the killings continued and would have done until completion. If so how can you ask us to give up our position and go in bare arsed to see what we can get. I don't know how you think when you want to grovel to a hostile people but I have no intention of doing that. If that comes about we deserve everything we get...Which will be not much. The Greeks have been erasing everything Turkish from their system for centuries and the evidence shows that nothing has changed... Turkish words have disappeared and replaced with Greek is one example...The idea that you could think that anyone is going to give you a single biscuit is just beyond me. The world does not work that way. We are partners in Cyprus and you want to give that up and go cap in hand to a people that have tried to starve, kill, or trick us into submission. I really have no idea where you are coming from. I understand your good intentions for humanity but the real world is a dog eat dog one. I pity the lamb that walk into the lions cage.

You've renamed the entire 1/3 of the island. You've erased names that were there in BC times! Is your brain keeping up with your typing?

Is yours..That is the question DT....You have been doing it for centuries and you take 40 years as an affront.....Why am I not surprised.....The fact that there have always been Turkish names for these places ( that you well know) is another factor that you chose to ignore...Keep going mate.....Shows my people more and more how you guys are trying to trick us as well as the world......Not going to happen....

Zan, your tribe appeared in 1570, how could there have always been Turkish names?

I was using the always that you use...have there always been Greeks on the isalnd....My bloodline has always been on the island.....Cypriot, Greek, Turkish.....What other mixture is a matter of history......My tribe have been there as long as yours..The split came when...I have no way of finding out...This is a problem of national identity and this Cypriot is telling you that my branch has every right in its own right....You are not the only Cypriot on the island....I made my claim in 1960 and was entitled too....Greeekness would not allow for me and tried to wipe me out.

[askimwos]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

[doesntmatter]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

Does Erdogan, Altintop, sound more Turkish than Hasan, Huseyin, Mehmet?

Or would you rather we used the old "fathers first name as the family name" sytem to make it very hard for us to trace our family tree further back than our grandparents?

Just on emore question, why does the GC surnames sound so Greek, like Karamanlis, Papadopoulos, Klerides?

[Kikapu]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

Does Erdogan, Altintop, sound more Turkish than Hasan, Huseyin, Mehmet?

Or would you rather we used the old "fathers first name as the family name" sytem to make it very hard for us to trace our family tree further back than our grandparents?

Just on emore question, why does the GC surnames sound so Greek, like Karamanlis, Papadopoulos, Klerides?

Don't you think it is just a little strange to change our surnames now, right after Turkey occupied the north and brought the settlers in. It is designed to blend the TC's in with the settlers so that there will not be any distinctions between the two people. In another words, the TC's have been assimilated being Turkish and no longer Cypriots or even Turkish Cypriot for that matter. A total eradication of the TC culture from the island and you are helping in going along with Turkey's plans. For the last 400 years in Cyprus your family tree was never an issue and all of a sudden you are concerned about your family tree. ?? I honestly doubt your sincerity in your claim regarding your "family tree".

[Tim Drayton]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

Does Erdogan, Altintop, sound more Turkish than Hasan, Huseyin, Mehmet?

Or would you rather we used the old "fathers first name as the family name" sytem to make it very hard for us to trace our family tree further back than our grandparents?

Just on emore question, why does the GC surnames sound so Greek, like Karamanlis, Papadopoulos, Klerides?

Don't you think it is just a little strange to change our surnames now, right after Turkey occupied the north and brought the settlers in. It is designed to blend the TC's in with the settlers so that there will not be any distinctions between the two people. In another words, the TC's have been assimilated being Turkish and no longer Cypriots or even Turkish Cypriot for that matter. A total eradication of the TC culture from the island and you are helping in going along with Turkey's plans. For the last 400 years in Cyprus your family tree was never an issue and all of a sudden you are concerned about your family tree. ?? I honestly doubt your sincerity in your claim regarding your "family tree".

You learn something new every day. I imagined TCs must have adopted surnames at the same time as people in the 'motherland'; now I see that in 1974 something called the 'Surnames Rule' was implemented:

http://www.mahkemeler.net/mahkeme-web-t ... kemelerini

I love the surname Bullici that you encounter among Turkish Cypriots. It is very Cypriot.

[askimwos]

doesntmatter, whats the problem of adopting your father's name as a surname? My father adopted his father's name as a surname. This is a Cyprus tradition that dates back many centuries and it was ment to show respect to your father.

And by the way TC were forced to change their surnames to sound more turkish and not just to stop the tradition of taking their father's name as a surname. This is another way of ethnic cleansing. Be sure that if anybosy tried to do something like this to the GC there would have been riots of the sort seen in athens the last few days.

[Viewpoint]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

Does Erdogan, Altintop, sound more Turkish than Hasan, Huseyin, Mehmet?

Or would you rather we used the old "fathers first name as the family name" sytem to make it very hard for us to trace our family tree further back than our grandparents?

Just on emore question, why does the GC surnames sound so Greek, like Karamanlis, Papadopoulos, Klerides?

Don't you think it is just a little strange to change our surnames now, right after Turkey occupied the north and brought the settlers in. It is designed to blend the TC's in with the settlers so that there will not be any distinctions between the two people. In another words, the TC's have been assimilated being Turkish and no longer Cypriots or even Turkish Cypriot for that matter. A total eradication of the TC culture from the island and you are helping in going along with Turkey's plans. For the last 400 years in Cyprus your family tree was never an issue and all of a sudden you are concerned about your family tree. ?? I honestly doubt your sincerity in your claim regarding your "family tree".

No not at all, there is normally 1 family name which is passed on from generation to generation like anywhere else in the world, really Kikapu any excuse and you are first in line and so predictable.

[doesntmatter]

Zan, ffs Ankara forced you to change even you surnames so that they look and sound Turkish!!!

Does Erdogan, Altintop, sound more Turkish than Hasan, Huseyin, Mehmet?

Or would you rather we used the old "fathers first name as the family name" sytem to make it very hard for us to trace our family tree further back than our grandparents?

Just on emore question, why does the GC surnames sound so Greek, like Karamanlis, Papadopoulos, Klerides?

Don't you think it is just a little strange to change our surnames now, right after Turkey occupied the north and brought the settlers in. It is designed to blend the TC's in with the settlers so that there will not be any distinctions between the two people. In another words, the TC's have been assimilated being Turkish and no longer Cypriots or even Turkish Cypriot for that matter. A total eradication of the TC culture from the island and you are helping in going along with Turkey's plans. For the last 400 years in Cyprus your family tree was never an issue and all of a sudden you are concerned about your family tree. ?? I honestly doubt your sincerity in your claim regarding your "family tree".

I am not 400 years old but would love to be able to find out who my great-great-grandparents were and where they came from. With the old system it just isn't possible. Instead of searching for a single name I have to know the first names of everyone of my ancestors.

Changing our old tradition to the same as the rest of the world was a necessity and about time too.

Whether you doubt my sincerity or not does not concern me, I agree with the new system and believe that it should have been changed a long time ago.

Our origins are Turkish so why should we not have real Turkish surnames? There's nothing strange in that whatsoever.

[doesntmatter]

doesntmatter, whats the problem of adopting your father's name as a surname? My father adopted his father's name as a surname. This is a Cyprus tradition that dates back many centuries and it was ment to show respect to your father.

And by the way TC were forced to change their surnames to sound more turkish and not just to stop the tradition of taking their father's name as a surname. This is another way of ethnic cleansing. Be sure that if anybosy tried to do something like this to the GC there would have been riots of the sort seen in athens the last few days.

Tell me, do the children of TP have Tassos as their surname?

Why is Tassos Papadopoulos is not named after his father, Tassos Nicolas?

What about Dimitris Christofias, was his fathers first name Christofias?

"ethnic cleansing" only because of the use of surnames is only an excuse to critisize, nothing else.