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[wallace]

So you feel you should have the right to do anything you wish because you are the majority? What if you abuse this power against us?

No mate. The Cypriot people as a whole (you included) should have the right to democratically rule their own island and do what they wish, always with respect to the human rights of every Cypriot citizen.

And there is no "what if". You can't violate the rights of people based on "what if" imaginary scenarios.

Do you expect us to throw ourselves at the mercy of the GC majority in our own country?

"Your own country" is our own country for 10 times longer than it has been yours and we are the 80% majority on it. So if you didn't want to "throw yourselves" along with GCs then you simply shouldn't have come to our country. It is not our fault that you created a minority on our island.

So in short yes we have to allow you to do as you please whether or not it places our future in danger or not, leave ourselves to the mercy of the "majority".

Or you can go back from where you came from. It is not us who asked from you to come to an island with a Greek majority.

I come from North Cyprus the day you accept this is the day you will see the light that you are not the only community that resides on this beautiful island whos fears and concerns have to be addressed, you will not be given the free hand you demand to manipulate control the whole island, we will put our views accross to counter yours if we feel they place us at the mercy of a hostile "majority".

No my friend. You don't come from "North Cyprus". My ancestors have been living in north Cyprus for 1000s of years before you invaded us.

Cyprus already had a Greek majority long before you came to our island, so if you didn't like this fact then why you came to our island?

You are the ones who came to our island to kill and opress us, and this is a fact.

So either get used to live as the ethnic minority that you are, or if you don't like it go back to where you came from. You have no right to take our lands and our rights just because you don't like the fact that you are a minority. If you don't like it, then you have only yourselves to blame.

You need to go back to the drawing board and start again, you are clueless and will be without a solution in your lifetime as long as you continue with the blinded thought that we do not have any rights on this island, we do and any new agreement has to have our sides 50% weight behind it otherwise its a non starter. Plus get that stupid notion out of your head that we are going anywhere we are just as indigenous to this island as you are.

50%??? 18%....a minority wants 50% weight behind it? Can I go to Turkey and live there for 10 years and then claim my own state and claim 50% weight? Don't be so stupid. Wake up VP....you are really living in a dream world! You will get the same rights that every Cypriot has......Maronite, Brits, Russians, etc, etc....if you don't want these rights bugger off to Turkey

[Tim Drayton]

I have already given you my answer, whether you like it or not is your problem.

It's clear that in your haste to spread your propaganda against Turkey, you simply forgot that every country in the world is having the same difficulties with growing unemployment and falling GDP. Now all you are doing is trying to wiggle yourself out of the unpleasant predicament you got yourself in to by trying, not very successfully I might add, to change the subject.

I'll save you any further embarrassment and withdraw the question.

What ever you say doesntknow.!

How hard is it to answer a simple question. Do you believe in Democracy, Human Rights and International Law. I'll even make it simple for you and give an answer without any explanation. Just say YES or NO.

Since you also do not read and understand what is written, my post was complimenting what Tim had already wrote, that bad economy in Turkey may have direct effect to those in power to lose it. It had nothing to do with the world economy in general and that was not the purpose of my post. As I said, you must have left your propaganda school with very bad grades.! Just for your information, I have probably spent more time in Turkey than you.

Similarly, my tongue-in-cheek comment about the Koran was connected to the same argument, and I was trying to suggest that religious fundamentalists may not be the best people to have at the helm during an economic crisis. However doesntmatter has immediately jumped to the erronneous conclusion that I am attacking Islam in particular. Never mind, he is new to this forum and may get the hang of how things work, eventually.

Tim, you claim to have lived a long time in Turkey and have been in this forum for around a year and a half and you still don't know how your "tounge-in-cheek" comments could give the wrong message to the Muslims?

Give yourself another year and a half and you might get the hang on how things work and keep yourself our of trouble.

I did not take it as an attack on Islam, I just find this type of "tongue-in-cheek" digs at Turkey is nothing but fuelling the already burning fire. But maybe that is your sole purpose in this forum, to cause more trouble between Turks/Muslims and Christians. If that is your agenda, you are doing a great job.

I follow the Turkish press very closely, and am just mirroring the kind of satirical onslaught that Erdoğan and his government are now facing. I can quote as one example the following headline used by a newspaper columnist at the beginning of this month:

Yarrabbi, bizi krizden koru! [Lord, save us from the crisis!]

In the article, Erdoğan is berated for apparently having no other answer than prayer to the crisis which is starting to hit Turkey hard.

Open any of the teenage comic magazines now and you see that they are full of 'teğet' jokes, the Turkish word for 'tangent', alluding to Erdoğan's now infamous comment that the crisis would pass Turkey by 'on a tangent'.

In my experience Turkish people have a wonderful sense of humour, and particularly have a taste for political satire, so I am surprised that anybody who claims to be Turkish (a claim presumably made by anybody who uses the Turkish flag as their avatar!) is incapable of understanding my comment about the Kuran not containing any verses for solving an economic crisis in the spirit it was made, especially at a time when people in the 'motherland' are cracking jokes of this nature.

If you follow this thread, you will see that there was a discussion about the shifting balance of power between the Kemalist establishment and the AKP, and the post that you apparently take such offence at needs to be interpreted within that context.

Kikapcığım, I had no doubt that you understood my comment, and I also had a good chuckle at your 'Bible' remark, even if I did not respond to it. Don't worry, I will not berate you for stoking up discord between Muslims and Christians!

[Tim Drayton]

Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!

Which verse of the Bible tells those in charge hot steer a Christian country through a downturn Tim?

I'd like to look it up if you give me a little clue as to where I can find it.

None. I think the concept of a religious political party is ridiculous.

What do you have to say about religion mixing with politics both in Greece and Cyprus?

I was very happy when President Christofias told Archbishop Chrystostomos to stay out of politics and firmly defended secularism, if that gives you an idea where my sympathies lie.

Any others before him do the same?

What about in Greece?

Greece is not a country that I know a great deal about, so I prefer not to comment on it.

I do not believe that any president prior to Christofias has made such a staunch defence of secularism - although Cyprus has never had such a left-wing president before.

I am a strong supporter of secularism. I lived in Turkey for a long time and am a great admirer of the reforms introduced there by Mustafa Kemal. I am happy to see the cause of secularism advanced everywhere.

Do you mean that the GC South is more secular now that it has a communist leader but was not very secular before with democratic leaders?

There are obviously serious issues about the separation of Church and state in a country whose first president was also archbishop.

[Oracle]

Well let's hope they can talk some sense into him, perhaps they can explain to him what democracy and human rights in the EU is all about and why under the EU umbrella there is no need for "guarantee" countries to have the power of military intervention in a sovereign State.

Could you kindly explain it to us? would it mean that GCs would not reduce us to minority status in our own country, do away with our community rights as per 1960 agreements? that they will not discriminate against TCs? Just how will this great "EU" do that? if things are not agreed before hand?

You are a minority. Minorities in other EU countries do not demand "equal" status with majorities. The Law, backed by EU guarantees (not Turkey's), will protect your minority rights - same as in any other modern democracy.

So what you are saying is ditch your communities rights via the internationally recognized 1960 agreements and just become another minority like the Pakistanis in the UK and live in a GC dominated state? We are not like the Pakistanis we are more alike to the Scots of the UK can you understand the difference? We are not visitors we are indigenous.

You are worlds apart from the intelligent, cultured Scots. In fact you are the very stuff (expansionist thieves) that they abhor!

[Kikapu]

I have already given you my answer, whether you like it or not is your problem.

It's clear that in your haste to spread your propaganda against Turkey, you simply forgot that every country in the world is having the same difficulties with growing unemployment and falling GDP. Now all you are doing is trying to wiggle yourself out of the unpleasant predicament you got yourself in to by trying, not very successfully I might add, to change the subject.

I'll save you any further embarrassment and withdraw the question.

What ever you say doesntknow.!

How hard is it to answer a simple question. Do you believe in Democracy, Human Rights and International Law. I'll even make it simple for you and give an answer without any explanation. Just say YES or NO.

Since you also do not read and understand what is written, my post was complimenting what Tim had already wrote, that bad economy in Turkey may have direct effect to those in power to lose it. It had nothing to do with the world economy in general and that was not the purpose of my post. As I said, you must have left your propaganda school with very bad grades.! Just for your information, I have probably spent more time in Turkey than you.

Like I said, to save you any further embarrassment, I have withdrawn the question. I will also be very careful not to embarrass you any more than necessary in the future.

Don't do me any favours Doesntknow. Embarrass me all you want, so now that you have been given a free reigns to embarrass me, answer the god damn question. Do you respect Democracy, Human Rights, and International Laws. A simple YES or NO, since you are unable to discuss this topic.

By now of course, everyone knows that my question to you has already been answered with your silence and that my repeated requests to you is only rhetorical and redundant.

Heloooooooooo...anyone at home? I can see your lights are on but there can't be any one there.

There's always someone home whether the lights are on or off with me, so don't let that fool you what ever you see.!

Since you do not want to answer the question put to you, and trust me, many of you from the same "camp" have not answered it either, so you are not alone, other than a lot of meaningless gibberish for an answer. You have already shown some disdain for Christofias being a Communist, therefore you are not a Commie, so it only leaves one other option for you really, and that is, Fascism and Dictatorial Rule is your forte. Now, was that so hard to come out and tell us, rather than wasting every one's time.!

[Viewpoint]

So you feel you should have the right to do anything you wish because you are the majority? What if you abuse this power against us?

No mate. The Cypriot people as a whole (you included) should have the right to democratically rule their own island and do what they wish, always with respect to the human rights of every Cypriot citizen.

And there is no "what if". You can't violate the rights of people based on "what if" imaginary scenarios.

Do you expect us to throw ourselves at the mercy of the GC majority in our own country?

"Your own country" is our own country for 10 times longer than it has been yours and we are the 80% majority on it. So if you didn't want to "throw yourselves" along with GCs then you simply shouldn't have come to our country. It is not our fault that you created a minority on our island.

So in short yes we have to allow you to do as you please whether or not it places our future in danger or not, leave ourselves to the mercy of the "majority".

Or you can go back from where you came from. It is not us who asked from you to come to an island with a Greek majority.

I come from North Cyprus the day you accept this is the day you will see the light that you are not the only community that resides on this beautiful island whos fears and concerns have to be addressed, you will not be given the free hand you demand to manipulate control the whole island, we will put our views accross to counter yours if we feel they place us at the mercy of a hostile "majority".

No my friend. You don't come from "North Cyprus". My ancestors have been living in north Cyprus for 1000s of years before you invaded us.

Cyprus already had a Greek majority long before you came to our island, so if you didn't like this fact then why you came to our island?

You are the ones who came to our island to kill and opress us, and this is a fact.

So either get used to live as the ethnic minority that you are, or if you don't like it go back to where you came from. You have no right to take our lands and our rights just because you don't like the fact that you are a minority. If you don't like it, then you have only yourselves to blame.

You need to go back to the drawing board and start again, you are clueless and will be without a solution in your lifetime as long as you continue with the blinded thought that we do not have any rights on this island, we do and any new agreement has to have our sides 50% weight behind it otherwise its a non starter. Plus get that stupid notion out of your head that we are going anywhere we are just as indigenous to this island as you are.

50%??? 18%....a minority wants 50% weight behind it? Can I go to Turkey and live there for 10 years and then claim my own state and claim 50% weight? Don't be so stupid. Wake up VP....you are really living in a dream world! You will get the same rights that every Cypriot has......Maronite, Brits, Russians, etc, etc....if you don't want these rights bugger off to Turkey

How many sides have to put their backing to any new agreement? 2 divided 100 = 50% Without our YES which is 50% weight you cannot proceed. I cant make it any simpler please try harder to keep up.