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Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:57 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Bir, a further important point is that, in my view, the AKP is on its way out. I base this conclusion on the observation that the Turkish electorate always rewards the ruling party when times are good (hence the AKP's resounding victory at the last elections) and punishes it at times of crisis. Turkey is going to be hit hard by the current economic crisis, which I believe has only just begun, which makes me quite sure that Erdoğan is already history.



I think this is what you are talking about, Tim.!

"Turkey's GDP slows, unemployment rises

The Associated PressPublished: December 15, 2008

ANKARA, Turkey: Turkey's economy continued to feel the impact of the global financial crisis as official figures released Monday showed gross domestic product growth slowing and unemployment rising.

A team from the International Monetary Fund will arrive in Turkey early January to discuss a possible loan deal to help Turkey's economy — plagued by a current account deficit — to weather the effects of the global financial crisis, the Treasury Undersecretariat said.

GDP growth slowed in the third quarter to a rate of only 0.5 percent, the Turkish Statistics Institute said. The growth rate in the first nine months reached 3 percent, it said.

The jobless rate rose to 10.3 percent in September from 9.3 percent in the same month of the previous year, the institute added.

The Treasury said there had been important progress in reaching a deal with the IMF. The details of the conditions and size of the possible loan were not announced.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been reluctant to sign a new deal with the IMF since the previous deal for a standby loan ended in May.

But business groups have been pressuring the government to reach an agreement that would mitigate the effects of the global meltdown.

"The agreement that will be reached with the IMF will eliminate the uncertainty in the markets and increase Turkey's credibility," Arzuhan Yalcindag, head of the Turkish Industrialists and Business Association, or TUSIAD, told a conference in Istanbul. "The deal will also enable Turkey, which has to pay around US$50 billion (€37 billion) of foreign debt within a year, to breath."

OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria also attended the conference and said that no country was immune to the global crisis."


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/ ... conomy.php
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:05 pm

Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:26 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!


In all fairness, I don't think the Republicans had any idea in the USA either, Bible or no Bible.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:59 pm

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So you feel you should have the right to do anything you wish because you are the majority? What if you abuse this power against us?


No mate. The Cypriot people as a whole (you included) should have the right to democratically rule their own island and do what they wish, always with respect to the human rights of every Cypriot citizen.

And there is no "what if". You can't violate the rights of people based on "what if" imaginary scenarios.

Do you expect us to throw ourselves at the mercy of the GC majority in our own country?


"Your own country" is our own country for 10 times longer than it has been yours and we are the 80% majority on it. So if you didn't want to "throw yourselves" along with GCs then you simply shouldn't have come to our country. It is not our fault that you created a minority on our island.


So in short yes we have to allow you to do as you please whether or not it places our future in danger or not, leave ourselves to the mercy of the "majority".


Or you can go back from where you came from. It is not us who asked from you to come to an island with a Greek majority.


I come from North Cyprus the day you accept this is the day you will see the light that you are not the only community that resides on this beautiful island whos fears and concerns have to be addressed, you will not be given the free hand you demand to manipulate control the whole island, we will put our views accross to counter yours if we feel they place us at the mercy of a hostile "majority".
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Postby doesntmatter » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:35 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!


Which verse of the Bible tells those in charge hot steer a Christian country through a downturn Tim?

I'd like to look it up if you give me a little clue as to where I can find it.
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Postby DT. » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:38 pm

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Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!


Which verse of the Bible tells those in charge hot steer a Christian country through a downturn Tim?

I'd like to look it up if you give me a little clue as to where I can find it.


Which European country is ruled by the equivalent to an Islamist party?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:39 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!


Which verse of the Bible tells those in charge hot steer a Christian country through a downturn Tim?

I'd like to look it up if you give me a little clue as to where I can find it.

The one that warns not to rely on fortune tellers to predict the "future" of the “TRNC”… :lol:
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Postby doesntmatter » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:47 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Bir, a further important point is that, in my view, the AKP is on its way out. I base this conclusion on the observation that the Turkish electorate always rewards the ruling party when times are good (hence the AKP's resounding victory at the last elections) and punishes it at times of crisis. Turkey is going to be hit hard by the current economic crisis, which I believe has only just begun, which makes me quite sure that Erdoğan is already history.



I think this is what you are talking about, Tim.!

"Turkey's GDP slows, unemployment rises

The Associated PressPublished: December 15, 2008

ANKARA, Turkey: Turkey's economy continued to feel the impact of the global financial crisis as official figures released Monday showed gross domestic product growth slowing and unemployment rising.

A team from the International Monetary Fund will arrive in Turkey early January to discuss a possible loan deal to help Turkey's economy — plagued by a current account deficit — to weather the effects of the global financial crisis, the Treasury Undersecretariat said.

GDP growth slowed in the third quarter to a rate of only 0.5 percent, the Turkish Statistics Institute said. The growth rate in the first nine months reached 3 percent, it said.

The jobless rate rose to 10.3 percent in September from 9.3 percent in the same month of the previous year, the institute added.

The Treasury said there had been important progress in reaching a deal with the IMF. The details of the conditions and size of the possible loan were not announced.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been reluctant to sign a new deal with the IMF since the previous deal for a standby loan ended in May.

But business groups have been pressuring the government to reach an agreement that would mitigate the effects of the global meltdown.

"The agreement that will be reached with the IMF will eliminate the uncertainty in the markets and increase Turkey's credibility," Arzuhan Yalcindag, head of the Turkish Industrialists and Business Association, or TUSIAD, told a conference in Istanbul. "The deal will also enable Turkey, which has to pay around US$50 billion (€37 billion) of foreign debt within a year, to breath."

OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria also attended the conference and said that no country was immune to the global crisis."


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/ ... conomy.php


Can you give us a hint which country's unemployment has fallen and the GDP has risen in this global crisis?

UK? USA? anywhere in the EU or the world?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:50 pm

He is the merchant of doom and gloom against Turkey, conveniently forgetting there is a world crisis.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:03 pm

doesntmatter wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Yes, along with a growing feeling that the AKP hasn't a clue how to deal with the crisis. After all, which verse of the Koran tells you how to steer an economy through a downturn!


Which verse of the Bible tells those in charge hot steer a Christian country through a downturn Tim?

I'd like to look it up if you give me a little clue as to where I can find it.


None. I think the concept of a religious political party is ridiculous.
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