MrH,
Kikapu wrote:
The only problem is with a "pure Swiss model" for Cyprus, and to the best of my knowledge living here in Switzerland, that the local city councils (Gemeinderhaus or Rathaus) from each town are the ones who decides if one is eligible to become a citizen of Switzerland, then upon approval given, recommends it to those living in those towns if they would object to this person becoming a citizen. Now, you can see what kind of a "Black Market" you are going to have in the north in allowing those from a non EU countries in obtaining a EU citizenship, like from Turkey for example. Before you know it, over time, whole of Turkish citizens will be holding a Cypriot citizenship's if Turkey in fact does not manage to become a EU member herself.
MrH wrote:Damn Kik, you blew it - I almost convinced them all!!!!!
We are all just trying to help you out with all of the relevant information that you seem to leave out on many different topics that you bring up on the forum. Aren't you thankful to have such a "support team" behind you.??Then again, perhaps not.!
MrH wrote:Seriously, there are many other fine tuned features the true Swiss Model has in store that the Turkish Cypriots would like to have, but I am sure Christofias knows all about them? Or Does he? Remember, he, at first endorsed and literally fought FOR the Annan Plan, but later decided to reject it. It is the reasons for its rejection that you all need to understand, as I'm sure you will be surprised what else he realised towards the Annan Plan Number 5 stages.
The Annan Plan was based on a Swiss Model according to Kofi Annan. Well, not exactly Swiss Model really, because the Swiss have a True Democracy with freedom of movement, one man one vote, one citizenship, one country and on and on and on. I think Kofi just took the "Confederacy" part of Switzerland and very much ignored the rest and he had the arrogance to call it a "Swiss Model". What a loser.!
MrH wrote:Federalism is good for those people who do not have a higher purpose, while as for the island of Cyprus, federalism will evidently be a backdrop to a future conflict, then partition. Why go through the heartache of federalism when you can enjoy the fruits of separation. Perhaps we should all embrace the clean example of the two Czech and Slovakia Republic states for the island of Cyprus. We all love Cyprus, but Federalism just doesn't do for me - not entirely anyway!
BBF is what is on the table. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a True Federation if all Cypriots want to keep the island of Cyprus as one country. Only those who have no desires to live in one country of Cyprus wish to change the BBF (Federation) to a BBC, (Confederation) Annan Plan style, where a referendum by one of the communities to secede from the Union will gain total independence from the other. In another words, legal Partition. I would go along with this plan of Confederacy only if the TC's were the rightful owners of the north, as the case is of all those that live in the 26 Cantons in Switzerland that make up the Confederate Union. Sorry, but the TC's are not the ONLY rightful custodians of the territory in the north, because the whole country belongs to both the GC's and TC's, and this is the reason why a True Federation can work as it does in the USA and other parts of the world, as long as one of the states does not want to become a independent country from the other at later stage. So tell me again as to why the TC's want a Confederacy and not a Federation, even though only Federation in BBF is on the table for negotiations right now. Alternative would be to go back to the Unitary state of the 1960 Constitution.
So MrH, tell me something. Do you think Makarios
"outfoxed" Denktash when he agreed to have future settlement based on BBF Federation and not BBC Confederation.? The north was already under the control of the Turkey which Makarios must have known that it was for the long haul, and rather than just losing the north to the TC's, he agreed to a Federation BBF, which meant to open up the 1960 Constitution to accommodate the new Federation with the approval of the TC's. Once the 1960 was opened up, then Makarios would then be able to get rid of all the non Democratic articles that benefited the TC's such as the 50-50 power share, 70-30 government jobs and most importantly, the TC veto power, as well as getting rid of all the Guarantor states, Greece, UK and Turkey, which is what Christofias is saying today. Once the 1960 Constitution is opened to accommodate the BBF, then everything in it is up for re-negotiations in that Constitution in order to make a new one.
The Federation would still be one country where the majority would rule, just as it would have been in a Unitary state. It is no wonder that the TC's are trying very hard to chance the mistakes made by Denktash who agreed to the BBF Federation as a solution for Cyprus in the 70's. That was before declaring the "trnc" of course, which now the BBF Federation does not work for the TC's any longer. The Annan Plan was designed to correct that mistake, but failed, because the GC's saw right through of it's intent. Talat today is still trying top change the BBF, but also failing badly, all because what Denktash agreed to. Hindsight, it would have been much better for the TC's had there were no agreements at all between Denktash and Makarios, but only the 1960 agreements instead, which of course the RoC still lives by today. You may say,
"yeah but, Denktash said NO to the AP, so therefore your theory does not add up". Well, that is true, but only if Denktash really did vote NO, which we will never know. He knew that it was going to be a YES vote by the TC's because the AP was so lop sided in the TC's favour, plus the promise to lift the isolation by the EU for the TC's "YES" vote, so he could have just been playing
"mind games" with the GC's to think, that if Denktash is saying NO to the Annan Plan, then it must be good for the GC's and bad for the TC's in order to get the GC's to vote YES on the AP. At least Bananiot saw it that way, as well as other 24% of the GC's during the referendum.
