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Greek riots: Students vow fourth day of protests

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Cem » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:11 pm

MrH wrote:On my behalf, it's a damn shame what happened to the young boy, but even more disastrous how the public have VIOLENTLY responded.

I can't stop thinking how the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus would respond if a Greek Cypriot person should accidentally get shot by a Turkish Cypriot Security Police Force in a "United Federal Republic of Cyprus"?

Would rioting breakout, or are the Greek Cypriot people different in nature than their fellow motherland compatriot Greeks in mainland Greece?

Can you imagine a riot like that in Cyprus, but to add additional fuel to the fire, hatred towards all Turkish Cypriots as well. I know you might think that I am acting a little too hypothetical, but these events did happen in the past (1960s).

Apart from what I've said above, I believe the Greek people of Athens are completely wrong in acting the way they are. It's obviously not the fault an innocent shop-owners in Athens whose shop has been destroyed in the firing line if a person one hundred miles away was killed innocently by a Policeman.

Are these people examples of a European Union educated society?


No, they are simply examples of medieval Hellenic society run by the bigoted christian orthodox church.
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Postby Cem » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:03 pm

By the way, this thread doesn't belong to CyProb section and should be moved under Politics and Elections or the General Chat area.

Why the helll should we be worried with problems of Greece, an alien country ?
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Postby Svetlana » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:08 am

The 5th night of 'Free Speech' in Greece!! Dozens injured, 600 business damaged or destroyed, €200m of damage. Watching the TV, I am amazed at the self-control of the Police - in the face of petrol bombs and flares being fired at them. Totally scary; let us hope for an early resolution with no further serious injury or loss of life.

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Postby Kifeas » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:44 am

Because too much is being said in the last few days about Isocrates and democracy, for the sake of accuracy, this is what he actually said about the issue, and not what the lazy quotation some of the media present lately, and which gives the impression that the problem is with democracy itself and that "too much of it is no good."

"καίτοι πῶς χρὴ ταύτην τὴν πολιτείαν ἐπαινεῖν ἢ στέργειν τὴν τοσούτων μὲν κακῶν αἰτίαν πρότερον γενομένην, νῦν δὲ καθ' ἕκαστον τὸν ἐνιαυτὸν ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον φερομένην; πῶς δ' οὐ χρὴ δεδιέναι μὴ τοιαύτης ἐπιδόσεως γιγνομένης τελευτῶντες εἰς τραχύτερα πράγματα τῶν τότε γενομένων ἐξοκείλωμεν;

…………. οἱ γὰρ κατ' ἐκεῖνον τὸν χρόνον τὴν πόλιν διοικοῦντες κατεστήσαντο πολιτείαν οὐκ ὀνόματι μὲν τῷ κοινοτάτῳ καὶ πραοτάτῳ προσαγορευομένην, ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν πράξεων οὐ τοιαύτην τοῖς ἐντυγχάνουσι φαινομένην, οὐδ' ἣ τοῦτον τὸν τρόπον ἐπαίδευε τοὺς πολίτας ὥσθ' ἡγεῖσθαι τὴν μὲν ἀκολασίαν δημοκρατίαν, τὴν δὲ παρανομίαν ἐλευθερίαν, τὴν δὲ παρρησίαν ἰσονομίαν, τὴν δ' ἐξουσίαν τοῦ πάντα ποιεῖν εὐδαιμονίαν, ἀλλὰ μισοῦσα καὶ κολάζουσα τοὺς τοιούτους βελτίους καὶ σωφρονεστέρους ἅπαντας τοὺς πολίτας ἐποίησεν.

……………. τὴν δὲ κατὰ τὴν ἀξίαν ἕκαστον τιμῶσαν καὶ κολάζουσαν προῃροῦντο, καὶ διὰ ταύτης ᾤκουν τὴν πόλιν, οὐκ ἐξ ἁπάντων τὰς ἀρχὰς κληροῦντες, ἀλλὰ τοὺς βελτίστους καὶ τοὺς ἱκανωτάτους ἐφ' ἕκαστον τῶν ἔργων προκρίνοντες. τοιούτους γὰρ ἤλπιζον ἔσεσθαι καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους, οἷοί περ ἂν ὦσιν οἱ τῶν πραγμάτων ἐπιστατοῦντες."


And how can we honor or protect a government that has in the past been the cause of so many evils and which is now showing to be worst than before? And that if we do not give an end to such a performance, we will not find ourselves sailing into more roughs than before?

.....for those who directed the state in those years (the time democracy was established in Athens,) did not establish a polity which only in name would be hailed as the most popular and the fairest of all governments, but it would show in practice to be the opposite, nor one which taught its citizens in such fashion that they looked upon insolence as democracy, lawlessness as liberty, impudence of speech as equality, and power to do as they pleased as happiness, but instead a polity which detested and punished such acts and by so doing made all the citizens better and wiser.

......and (the leaders) preferring rather that (method of leading) which rewards and punishes every man according to his deserts, they governed the city on this principle, not filling the offices by lot from all the citizens, but selecting the best and the most able for each function of the state; for they believed that the rest of the people would envy the character of those who were placed in charge of their affairs.


What Isocrates meant to say, is easily understood, and what is easily understood, is omitted!
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Postby zan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:53 am

Svetlana wrote:The 5th night of 'Free Speech' in Greece!! Dozens injured, 600 business damaged or destroyed, €200m of damage. Watching the TV, I am amazed at the self-control of the Police - in the face of petrol bombs and flares being fired at them. Totally scary; let us hope for an early resolution with no further serious injury or loss of life.

Lana


The London News, Newspaper said that there might even be the overthrow of the right wing government?????
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:20 am

Cem wrote:
MrH wrote:On my behalf, it's a damn shame what happened to the young boy, but even more disastrous how the public have VIOLENTLY responded.

I can't stop thinking how the Greek Cypriots in Cyprus would respond if a Greek Cypriot person should accidentally get shot by a Turkish Cypriot Security Police Force in a "United Federal Republic of Cyprus"?

Would rioting breakout, or are the Greek Cypriot people different in nature than their fellow motherland compatriot Greeks in mainland Greece?

Can you imagine a riot like that in Cyprus, but to add additional fuel to the fire, hatred towards all Turkish Cypriots as well. I know you might think that I am acting a little too hypothetical, but these events did happen in the past (1960s).

Apart from what I've said above, I believe the Greek people of Athens are completely wrong in acting the way they are. It's obviously not the fault an innocent shop-owners in Athens whose shop has been destroyed in the firing line if a person one hundred miles away was killed innocently by a Policeman.

Are these people examples of a European Union educated society?


No, they are simply examples of medieval Hellenic society run by the bigoted christian orthodox church.


As usual ripe for opportunism by the gypsies and illegal immigrants courtesy of the Turks ...
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:22 am

zan wrote:
Svetlana wrote:The 5th night of 'Free Speech' in Greece!! Dozens injured, 600 business damaged or destroyed, €200m of damage. Watching the TV, I am amazed at the self-control of the Police - in the face of petrol bombs and flares being fired at them. Totally scary; let us hope for an early resolution with no further serious injury or loss of life.

Lana


The London News, Newspaper said that there might even be the overthrow of the right wing government?????


Maybe an overhaul to one that takes a hard line with Turkey!
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Postby zan » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:24 am

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Svetlana wrote:The 5th night of 'Free Speech' in Greece!! Dozens injured, 600 business damaged or destroyed, €200m of damage. Watching the TV, I am amazed at the self-control of the Police - in the face of petrol bombs and flares being fired at them. Totally scary; let us hope for an early resolution with no further serious injury or loss of life.

Lana


The London News, Newspaper said that there might even be the overthrow of the right wing government?????


Maybe an overhaul to one that takes a hard line with Turkey!


The only difference in what you say and reality is honesty and up front politics.....Otherwise..No change!!!!!
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Postby alexISS » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:15 pm

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Postby Get Real! » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:30 pm

I was shocked to see Greek grownups encouraging the anarchistic youth on TV the other day… it’s almost like they’re begging for another military junta to take over! :?
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