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[utu]

I am finding it very difficult to understand where he is comming from.

That's perfectly understandable given that he comes from a nut house...

GR, that comment doesn't help. It was because of your inability to lay off these type of comments that made Expatkiwi quit this forum. In his own words to me in an e-mail: "I asked for a dispassionate debate from GR and I just got abuse and threats in return. So why should I bother talking to him and his ilk any more?"

[zan]

I am finding it very difficult to understand where he is comming from.

That's perfectly understandable given that he comes from a nut house...

GR, that comment doesn't help. It was because of your inability to lay off these type of comments that made Expatkiwi quit this forum. In his own words to me in an e-mail: "I asked for a dispassionate debate from GR and I just got abuse and threats in return. So why should I bother talking to him and his ilk any more?"

Please tell him from me that he should be posting because of it utu.....

[utu]

I am finding it very difficult to understand where he is comming from.

That's perfectly understandable given that he comes from a nut house...

GR, that comment doesn't help. It was because of your inability to lay off these type of comments that made Expatkiwi quit this forum. In his own words to me in an e-mail: "I asked for a dispassionate debate from GR and I just got abuse and threats in return. So why should I bother talking to him and his ilk any more?"

Please tell him from me that he should be posting because of it utu.....

After reading his e-mail (I didn't quote the rest of it for good reason), I don't think he'll be doing any more postings here. In any case, he has his hands full at ATCA forum with a bunch of rather hostile pro-annexionists...

[zan]

I am finding it very difficult to understand where he is comming from.

That's perfectly understandable given that he comes from a nut house...

GR, that comment doesn't help. It was because of your inability to lay off these type of comments that made Expatkiwi quit this forum. In his own words to me in an e-mail: "I asked for a dispassionate debate from GR and I just got abuse and threats in return. So why should I bother talking to him and his ilk any more?"

Please tell him from me that he should be posting because of it utu.....

After reading his e-mail (I didn't quote the rest of it for good reason), I don't think he'll be doing any more postings here. In any case, he has his hands full at ATCA forum with a bunch of rather hostile pro-annexionists...

No probs utu!!

[Get Real!]

Expat-wi-wi had a crack at promoting “self-determination” for TCs on the CF without doing any research (as per usual) as to what it is and what the international community has to say about it, and when he realized his folly he just run off complaining that I abused him!

Hey wi-wi if you can read this, just stick to your Captain Kurk fantasy impersonations and forget the CyProb.

[utu]

Expat-wi-wi had a crack at promoting “self-determination” for TCs on the CF without doing any research (as per usual) as to what it is and what the international community has to say about it, and when he realized his folly he just run off complaining that I abused him!

Hey wi-wi if you can read this, just stick to your Captain Kurk fantasy impersonations and forget the CyProb.

Ah, GR... He stated that he's not part of that group. In any case, I may not agree with his stance, but at least I can talk to him sensibly, and vice-versa. Something that you're evidentally incapable of doing.

[Nikitas]

Zan,

I follow Turkish Cypriot commentators whenever I can find their writing in translation. Many of them warn of a disappearance of the TCs as a community. They should know, they live in Cyprus and follow the situation closely.

[Get Real!]

Expat-wi-wi had a crack at promoting “self-determination” for TCs on the CF without doing any research (as per usual) as to what it is and what the international community has to say about it, and when he realized his folly he just run off complaining that I abused him!

Hey wi-wi if you can read this, just stick to your Captain Kurk fantasy impersonations and forget the CyProb.

Ah, GR... He stated that he's not part of that group.

Which group... this one?

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/

In any case, I may not agree with his stance, but at least I can talk to him sensibly, and vice-versa. Something that you're evidentally incapable of doing.

The guy is a complete nutter so how can you expect me to take him seriously?

[zan]

Zan,

I follow Turkish Cypriot commentators whenever I can find their writing in translation. Many of them warn of a disappearance of the TCs as a community. They should know, they live in Cyprus and follow the situation closely.

I know..I read an article in the Times today.

It is traditional at this time of year to complain that the traditional Christmas is under threat . Urban myths that Christmas is being cancelled as a sop to al-Qaeda spread like man flu, after someone calls one of the phalangist phone-in hosts to say they've heard of a case in which apparently, a five year old in Bradford was arrested for telling a school friend she saw Santa in the shopping centre.

Outraged fellow-callers join the fray, protesting: "Britain is supposed to be a Christian country"; by which they mean: "I'm white and, to me, that's some kind of achievement".

Let me declare an interest: I was raised as a Christian. Well, C of E. You can't exactly "lapse" when you're C of E. You don't lose your faith; you just can't remember where you left it. Nonetheless, if I have a culture, it is arguably Protestant Christian.

The fact is, Christmas as we know it is largely a German import, and that even before the Victorians codified the festival, it was a mismash of the stolen festivities of earlier societies and faiths. I'm not going to argue that Paganism is the true faith of this island; the only reason pagans believed the things they believed is that they didn't know very much. All they knew was how to party, and Christians have been on a 2,000 year mission to stamp that out.

I am not hostile to the faith of my forefathers, but it is a cut and paste religion. Even the Virgin Birth itself was nicked.

Christmas is not under threat from multiculturalism; rather it is the combination of a heavenly multitude of other cultures ' winter shenanigans. The thing that makes it so seductive is that it has been so well refined, marketed and targeted since, that is, the Protestant churches accepted it. Until the 19th century, they tended to view it as popish nonsense. But after that, it became part of Britain's established order, and tradition became mindless routine.

However, at the core of it is something worth reclaiming. Winter is long and nasty and people need respite. We need renewal. We need merriment and misrule. Yes, we need Morecambe and Wise. Yes, we need to watch It's a Wonderful Life and reaffirm that the world would have been a sadder place if Jimmy Stewart 's character hadn't been born.

But we don't need a Christmas that 's all wrapped up and catered like a corporate training package. That's where tradition has got us. We should not reject Christmas; we should not abandon it. But we need to find a new shape for it.

Fears, myths, realities and misconceptions all in one article.

[utu]

Expat-wi-wi had a crack at promoting “self-determination” for TCs on the CF without doing any research (as per usual) as to what it is and what the international community has to say about it, and when he realized his folly he just run off complaining that I abused him!

Hey wi-wi if you can read this, just stick to your Captain Kurk fantasy impersonations and forget the CyProb.

Ah, GR... He stated that he's not part of that group.

Which group... this one?

http://expatkiwi.deviantart.com/

In any case, I may not agree with his stance, but at least I can talk to him sensibly, and vice-versa. Something that you're evidentally incapable of doing.

The guy is a complete nutter so how can you expect me to take him seriously?

GR, I'm a member of Deviantart.com as well (under another name, of course). And FYI considering what quite a few other members draw and post on that art site, his stuff is really nothing to unduly comment about. Sounds like you're grasping at any kind of straw to discredit him. So what's next: hunting down his family tree so you can find a Turkish connection?