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[zan]

....We either have a partnership in Cyprus where our rights are respected along with our culture and are represented as we should be in all aspects of Cyprus life or we carry on as we are........

If you were truly interested in any of the above claims you’d thirst for a proper democracy and not for some imbalanced and undemocratic political arrangement that has never been tested before and has no chance of being accepted let alone surviving, with the ulterior motive that the UN will then feel sorry for you and grant you a state… as if that is ever legally or morally possible without the consent of the RoC.

Any which way you look at it, the RoC is the most influential player in the Cyprus problem, not only because of their indigenousness to this island, or their overwhelming majority in numbers, but for their strong financial standing, and the political grip they have gradually attained to earn their place in the world so any notion that the tiny and feeble TC community can outmaneuver the Republic out of any proportion of their sovereignty without their blessings is as realistic as… [Insert preferred mission impossible here]

You bottle up toilet water and try to quench my thirst....

[zan]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

[utu]

....We either have a partnership in Cyprus where our rights are respected along with our culture and are represented as we should be in all aspects of Cyprus life or we carry on as we are........

If you were truly interested in any of the above claims you’d thirst for a proper democracy and not for some imbalanced and undemocratic political arrangement that has never been tested before and has no chance of being accepted let alone surviving, with the ulterior motive that the UN will then feel sorry for you and grant you a state… as if that is ever legally or morally possible without the consent of the RoC.

Any which way you look at it, the RoC is the most influential player in the Cyprus problem, not only because of their indigenousness to this island, or their overwhelming majority in numbers, but for their strong financial standing, and the political grip they have gradually attained to earn their place in the world so any notion that the tiny and feeble TC community can outmaneuver the Republic out of any proportion of their sovereignty without their blessings is as realistic as… [Insert preferred mission impossible here]

The biggest asset that the RoCy has: economic autonomy.

[zan]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

I have sisters...Aunts...uncles...cousins...friends...friends friends..........Not a single one said they would give into the "RoC"...........So please stop this crap about I am not there so I don't know

[iceman]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

Talat used to speak for TC's...that's why we elected him.....to speak for us,but unfortunately after a few visits to Ankara he somehow changed.
He now speaks for Ankara.
That's why he has lost the support of his people.(i mean remaining TC's not imported Turks)
His old party who happen to be in power now have also lost support of the TC's..you will see where they will end up next election time.
But it doesnt matter anymore,Turkey has enough population on the island to bring out whatever result she wants from an election!!!

[utu]

Talat used to speak for TC's...that's why we elected him.....to speak for us,but unfortunately after a few visits to Ankara he somehow changed.
He now speaks for Ankara.
That's why he has lost the support of his people.(i mean remaining TC's not imported Turks)
His old party who happen to be in power now have also lost support of the TC's..you will see where they will end up next election time.
But it doesnt matter anymore,Turkey has enough population on the island to bring out whatever result she wants from an election!!!

Unfortunately, Iceman... you're right. Turkey's stranglehold on the north will make sure that her own interests are not threatened. An interesting definition of "democracy", isn't it?

[zan]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

Talat used to speak for TC's...that's why we elected him.....to speak for us,but unfortunately after a few visits to Ankara he somehow changed.
He now speaks for Ankara.
That's why he has lost the support of his people.(i mean remaining TC's not imported Turks)
His old party who happen to be in power now have also lost support of the TC's..you will see where they will end up next election time.
But it doesnt matter anymore,Turkey has enough population on the island to bring out whatever result she wants from an election!!!

He has had more people visit him other than Turkey iceman......TCs that live in the UK but have had much more to do with Cyprus than me.....

[iceman]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

I have sisters...Aunts...uncles...cousins...friends...friends friends..........Not a single one said they would give into the "RoC"...........So please stop this crap about I am not there so I don't know

The difference between you and me is that i dont see ROC as evil or enemy...

We have internationally recognized constitutional rights in ROC and what i am saying is instead of bending over to Ankara we should be fighting to gain those rights.

Maybe you should have asked your sisters...Aunts...uncles...cousins...friends...friends friends..in what way they have benefited from the outcome of 1974 and what they will loose if they were to go back to ROC..

[zan]

Zan,

Let me get this straight: you'd rather be ruled by a Turk, even if that Turk was a tyrant? I thought that the argument was about people living in peace on Cyprus.

utu
Dont waste your time.You are talking to the wrong man....
Zan is a UK TC who lived all his life in UK and has no idea on present realities of Cyprus.

Not from the people I have spoken to.....Are you telling me that you would be happy to be ruled by GCs...Are you ready to give it all up and let the "RoC" have it????

Talat is speaking for the TCs iceman....What does he say then???I believe he has lived his life in the TRNC.....

I have sisters...Aunts...uncles...cousins...friends...friends friends..........Not a single one said they would give into the "RoC"...........So please stop this crap about I am not there so I don't know

The difference between you and me is that i dont see ROC as evil or enemy...

We have internationally recognized constitutional rights in ROC and what i am saying is instead of bending over to Ankara we should be fighting to gain those rights.

Maybe you should have asked your sisters...Aunts...uncles...cousins...friends...friends friends..in what way they have benefited from the outcome of 1974 and what they will loose if they were to go back to ROC..

How long are you prepared to fight for those rights iceman and how far have you got??? Isn't that what we tried to achieve with the Annan Plan??? Every move we make is filled with danger in that we will lose even more rights to the "RoC". Why did Tpap not fight harder for a fairer AP instead of sabotaging the whole thing???? They don't want us to have any power that might allow us to speak to the world thats why. Why do they constantly distort history. Why does it take a brave man like Bananiot to tell us how much they are distorting history???? As the people I spoke to in Cyprus asked me......Biz neyik!!!!!!

[utu]

TPap is no longer in power, Zan. Christofas is. Let's see what he and Talat come up with, and also gauge the reaction from Athens and Ankara to their ideas. Let's not dismiss things yet.