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[Anglo]

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international& ... 1&hn=19799

Is this a good starting point for new negotiations?

[Alexandros Lordos]

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20050521&hn=19799

Is this a good starting point for new negotiations?

I don't see anything too outrageous in this list.

[brother]

Thats for starters lets see what else he will come up with, this is tassos we are talking about, treat everything with a pinch of salt.

[cannedmoose]

The formation of necessary mechanisms and the guaranties of foreigners' that will secure the implementation of the solution by Turkey.
Fair enough

The lifting of the guarantor forces' unilateral rights to intervene.
In full agreement with this one

The expansion of the guarantor forces with the joining of European Union (EU).
Not sure it'd work, but ok[b]

The total withdrawal of all the soldiers from Cyprus.
[b]Do they mean the Greek troops as well? Does this also mean the disbanding of all Cypriot forces?

The fixation of the exact number of people Turkish of origin that will stay in Cyprus and provide security for the rest to depart.
Fair enough

Making arrangements for the ones that will come from Turkey in the future.
Very fair

The shortening of the schedules concerning the restoration of land
to the Greek Cypriot Administration and the return of the Greek Cypriots under Turkish administration.
I agree with this, the AP timetable was unnecessarily lengthy. So long as any timetable allows time for resettlement of those TCs who want to remain under TC administration.

The detailed negotiation and re-planning of the items of the Annan Plan related to possessions.
Bit of a can of worms, but necessary I suppose

Providing of the unitary economy and unitary monetary policies.
Very pragmatic, the economic aspects were not fully explored in the AP

Putting to referendum the logic of equity in the administration of the shared state associations.
Hmmm... surely this will result in non-equity given that the referendum would be heavily balanced against TCs. I agree that total equity is unnecessary, but in some areas it should be retained.

The clear fixation of the continental shelf of Cyprus in all neighboring countries (both with Turkey and Israel) on the basis of international agreements is also demanded.
Very fair indeed.[/b]

[Alexandros Lordos]

Thats for starters lets see what else he will come up with, this is tassos we are talking about, treat everything with a pinch of salt.

He did say that "if the TC side puts forward extra demands, then we retain the right to make further demands of our own"

[Alexandros Lordos]

Putting to referendum the logic of equity in the administration of the shared state associations.

This is a very odd proposal indeed.

[garbitsch]

Putting to referendum the logic of equity in the administration of the shared state associations.

This is a very odd proposal indeed.

I couldn't agree with you more... I agree that Turkish Cypriots should not be equal at each and every aspect, but the areas of equity should be specified. However, putting this into referandum will result a huge OXI in the Greek side, since I believe the Greek Cypriots are heavily brainwashed on this topic by their leaders and other actors. They think 18% will rule over them, which in fact won't be the case.

[garbitsch]

I think the Greek Cypriot proposals do not conflict with the Turkish Cypriot's red lines. I hope these are the only things the Greek side demands.

What does Greek side say about the distribution of the Senators in the Senate? Do they want Greek Cypriots to be eligible to get into the Senate representing the Turkish Cypriot State?

[brother]

He did say that "if the TC side puts forward extra demands, then we retain the right to make further demands of our own"

LOL its so obvious how this is going to go.

[Alexandros Lordos]

He did say that "if the TC side puts forward extra demands, then we retain the right to make further demands of our own"

LOL its so obvious how this is going to go.

Yes, it's like one of those Greek tragedies, that you know the ending even before the story begins.