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[zan]

I hear that if you tense your bum cheeks the lies don't show.......

Another graduate of diaspora TC political strategy night school...

Mine cost nothing....How much did your parents pay to bring you to Rainman status....?......IT expert with no conception of the real world.

[Kifeas]

Cyprus Mail Article Giving the Details of the ECHR Decision and Torture of Erkan Egilmez (Named as Osman Egilmez Yousouf) by the Greek Cypriot police.

£10,000 for Turkish Cypriot beaten up by police
By Martin Hellicar Cyprus Mail 23 Dec. 2000.

THE GOVERNMENT yesterday said it would comply with a European Court of Human Rights ruling ordering it to pay some £10,000 in compensation to a Turkish Cypriot heroin smuggling suspect viciously beaten by police five years ago.

"The government respects the decisions of international bodies," Government Spokesman Michalis Papapetrou said. He promised the government would learn the lessons of the damning court ruling and "draw the necessary conclusions" for future action. "Of course there are weaknesses and problems and the government is fighting to solve these problems," Papapetrou said, pointing the finger at the police force. The court ruling, released late on Thursday, condemned Cyprus for "inhuman" treatment of Osman Eimez Yousouf, who was arrested after a drug squad sting operation in the buffer zone near Lymbia village on October 7, 1995.

"The Cyprus government admitted that, during and immediately after the arrest of the suspect, the police deliberately abused him," the court stated in its ruling. Yousouf, 34 at the time of his arrest, was unexpectedly released to return to the north on December 1 -- three days before he was due to stand trial on 11 drugs charges -- after he filed a complaint that he had been badly beaten by police.

Police insisted the suspect had been injured while resisting arrest. But his injuries were so severe that the Nicosia District Court had to convene in Larnaca hospital to remand him the day after his arrest. It later emerged that police wearing balaclavas had continued to beat Yousouf inside Larnaca hospital on the night of his arrest, ignoring nurses' protests. Nurses said officers used a sharp instrument to slash Yousouf on the ear, back and soles of his feat.

The Strasbourg court noted that nothing could excuse the treatment meted out to Yousouf: "Even under the most difficult conditions, such as in the battle against organised crime, the European Human Rights Convention completely bans torture and abuse of detainees." Cyprus was ordered to pay £10,400 Sterling in compensation to Yousouf, who comes from occupied Louroudjina village, not far from Lymbia in the Nicosia district, where he was arrested five years ago. At the time of Yousouf's release, the government denied it was trying to swap the Turkish Cypriot for two Greek Cypriots held in the north at the time. One of the Greek Cypriots, 19-year-old National Guardsman George Karotsakis, was set free by the Turks a few days after Yousouf's release. This is exactly the sort of exchange the relatives of Panicos Tsiakourmas, still being held by the Turks yesterday, are demanding that the government make, by releasing Turkish Cypriot drug suspect Omer Tekoglu from Larnaca police holding cells. The government has ruled out any such swap deal.

Coincidentally, Tekoglu and Yousouf were both arrested for allegedly trying to sell exactly the same quantity of heroin -- two kilos - to undercover drugs squad officers. Yousouf was also suspected of involvement in animal snuggling and of working for the Turkish secret services, MIT. The leader of main opposition party AKEL, Demetris Christofias, yesterday said the government had no choice but to comply with the Strasbourg court ruling.

"A government fighting for respect for the human rights of our whole people by condemning Turkey and taking her to human rights courts has no choice but to pay for wrong actions," he said. Cyprus has been pushing to get Ankara to comply with an earlier European Court of Human Rights decision ordering Turkey to pay massive compensation to Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for denying her access to her Kyrenia property because of the occupation. Christofias, like Papapetrou, said the police were at fault in the Yousouf case: "These are actions not of the government but of certain bodies which get out of line and cause these problems for the Cyprus Republic," the AKEL leader said.

Of course, beating by police is an unacceptable phenomena and a crime, for which Turkey has a pan-European record of condemnations by the ECtHRs with some 40,000 convictions. However, Zan, if you happened to have a son that is addicted to drugs, especially heroine, you would have definitely cherished to the idea that a drug dealer caught in action by the police, is beaten the shit out of him to throw out all his associates in one of the worst kinds of crimes humanity faces today.

[zan]

Cyprus Mail Article Giving the Details of the ECHR Decision and Torture of Erkan Egilmez (Named as Osman Egilmez Yousouf) by the Greek Cypriot police.

£10,000 for Turkish Cypriot beaten up by police
By Martin Hellicar Cyprus Mail 23 Dec. 2000.

THE GOVERNMENT yesterday said it would comply with a European Court of Human Rights ruling ordering it to pay some £10,000 in compensation to a Turkish Cypriot heroin smuggling suspect viciously beaten by police five years ago.

"The government respects the decisions of international bodies," Government Spokesman Michalis Papapetrou said. He promised the government would learn the lessons of the damning court ruling and "draw the necessary conclusions" for future action. "Of course there are weaknesses and problems and the government is fighting to solve these problems," Papapetrou said, pointing the finger at the police force. The court ruling, released late on Thursday, condemned Cyprus for "inhuman" treatment of Osman Eimez Yousouf, who was arrested after a drug squad sting operation in the buffer zone near Lymbia village on October 7, 1995.

"The Cyprus government admitted that, during and immediately after the arrest of the suspect, the police deliberately abused him," the court stated in its ruling. Yousouf, 34 at the time of his arrest, was unexpectedly released to return to the north on December 1 -- three days before he was due to stand trial on 11 drugs charges -- after he filed a complaint that he had been badly beaten by police.

Police insisted the suspect had been injured while resisting arrest. But his injuries were so severe that the Nicosia District Court had to convene in Larnaca hospital to remand him the day after his arrest. It later emerged that police wearing balaclavas had continued to beat Yousouf inside Larnaca hospital on the night of his arrest, ignoring nurses' protests. Nurses said officers used a sharp instrument to slash Yousouf on the ear, back and soles of his feat.

The Strasbourg court noted that nothing could excuse the treatment meted out to Yousouf: "Even under the most difficult conditions, such as in the battle against organised crime, the European Human Rights Convention completely bans torture and abuse of detainees." Cyprus was ordered to pay £10,400 Sterling in compensation to Yousouf, who comes from occupied Louroudjina village, not far from Lymbia in the Nicosia district, where he was arrested five years ago. At the time of Yousouf's release, the government denied it was trying to swap the Turkish Cypriot for two Greek Cypriots held in the north at the time. One of the Greek Cypriots, 19-year-old National Guardsman George Karotsakis, was set free by the Turks a few days after Yousouf's release. This is exactly the sort of exchange the relatives of Panicos Tsiakourmas, still being held by the Turks yesterday, are demanding that the government make, by releasing Turkish Cypriot drug suspect Omer Tekoglu from Larnaca police holding cells. The government has ruled out any such swap deal.

Coincidentally, Tekoglu and Yousouf were both arrested for allegedly trying to sell exactly the same quantity of heroin -- two kilos - to undercover drugs squad officers. Yousouf was also suspected of involvement in animal snuggling and of working for the Turkish secret services, MIT. The leader of main opposition party AKEL, Demetris Christofias, yesterday said the government had no choice but to comply with the Strasbourg court ruling.

"A government fighting for respect for the human rights of our whole people by condemning Turkey and taking her to human rights courts has no choice but to pay for wrong actions," he said. Cyprus has been pushing to get Ankara to comply with an earlier European Court of Human Rights decision ordering Turkey to pay massive compensation to Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for denying her access to her Kyrenia property because of the occupation. Christofias, like Papapetrou, said the police were at fault in the Yousouf case: "These are actions not of the government but of certain bodies which get out of line and cause these problems for the Cyprus Republic," the AKEL leader said.

Of course, beating by police is an unacceptable phenomena and a crime, for which Turkey has a pan-European record of condemnations by the ECtHRs with some 40,000 convictions. However, Zan, if you happened to have a son that is addicted to drugs, especially heroine, you would have definitely cherished to the idea that a drug dealer caught in action by the police, is beaten the shit out of him to throw out all his associates in one of the worst kinds of crimes humanity faces today.

Getting caught is one thing........Police brutality in a country that you keep telling me is far better than Turkey is quite another.........It seems that you are very good at keeping your illegal activities out of the papers...

[Tim Drayton]

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/egmez.htm

To quote from the above article, referring to an incident that took place in 1995:

"The release of Mr Egmez came at a time when Greek Cypriot authorities were attempting to quell the outrage caused by revelations of police brutality and malpractice in South Cyprus."

In other words, this was a period when police brutality was a serious issue in the government-controlled area of Cyprus. A number of Turkish Cypriots - including people like Ahmet Hüseyin Topaloğulları whom TRNC court records show to have been a habitual thief since childhood and quite probably fell foul of the law in the south while attempting to earn his living in his customary manner - fell victim to such practices, but this does not necessarily demonstrate that they were consciously victimised for being Turkish Cypriots.

Zan - are you suggesting that the Greek Cypriot police are nowadays routinely detianing and beating Turkish Cypriots who venture into the south? If not, just what is your point in raking up this much from 13 years ago?

[zan]

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/egmez.htm

To quote from the above article, referring to an incident that took place in 1995:

"The release of Mr Egmez came at a time when Greek Cypriot authorities were attempting to quell the outrage caused by revelations of police brutality and malpractice in South Cyprus."

In other words, this was a period when police brutality was a serious issue in the government-controlled area of Cyprus. A number of Turkish Cypriots - including people like Ahmet Hüseyin Topaloğulları whom TRNC court records show to have been a habitual thief since childhood and quite probably fell foul of the law in the south while attempting to earn his living in his customary manner - fell victim to such practices, but this does not necessarily demonstrate that they were consciously victimised for being Turkish Cypriots.

Zan - are you suggesting that the Greek Cypriot police are nowadays routinely detianing and beating Turkish Cypriots who venture into the south? If not, just what is your point in raking up this much from 13 years ago?

I don't know Tim......Perhaps I am fed up with people not realising that others can change along with them or that I don't think much has changed.......

[Nikitas]

zan has a peculiar axe to grind.

I was in Cyprus last year, for a family matter, and went to Kakopetria in the mountains to meet a cousin. The three cafes in the center of the town were full of TCs, the streets full of TC cars, this on a weekday. They had gone to the town for entertainment and were totally at ease and comfortable in their surroundings.

Last time I checked some 12000 TCs work in the south and cross daily with no problems, and from posts here it seems that many more cross south for shopping, medical treatment etc every day.

But the situation does not suit Zan's fantasy.

[zan]

zan has a peculiar axe to grind.

I was in Cyprus last year, for a family matter, and went to Kakopetria in the mountains to meet a cousin. The three cafes in the center of the town were full of TCs, the streets full of TC cars, this on a weekday. They had gone to the town for entertainment and were totally at ease and comfortable in their surroundings.

Last time I checked some 12000 TCs work in the south and cross daily with no problems, and from posts here it seems that many more cross south for shopping, medical treatment etc every day.

But the situation does not suit Zan's fantasy.

We have differing fantasies Nikitas......When you come down off your cloud we can meet somewhere in the middle...Happy gliding!!!!

[DT.]

zan has a peculiar axe to grind.

I was in Cyprus last year, for a family matter, and went to Kakopetria in the mountains to meet a cousin. The three cafes in the center of the town were full of TCs, the streets full of TC cars, this on a weekday. They had gone to the town for entertainment and were totally at ease and comfortable in their surroundings.

Last time I checked some 12000 TCs work in the south and cross daily with no problems, and from posts here it seems that many more cross south for shopping, medical treatment etc every day.

But the situation does not suit Zan's fantasy.

We have differing fantasies Nikitas......When you come down off your cloud we can meet somewhere in the middle...Happy gliding!!!!

Unfortunately for you Zan its not a fantasy. Ask any Cypriot who lives in Cyprus (tc or gc) what goes on every day over here. You have no idea.

[zan]

zan has a peculiar axe to grind.

I was in Cyprus last year, for a family matter, and went to Kakopetria in the mountains to meet a cousin. The three cafes in the center of the town were full of TCs, the streets full of TC cars, this on a weekday. They had gone to the town for entertainment and were totally at ease and comfortable in their surroundings.

Last time I checked some 12000 TCs work in the south and cross daily with no problems, and from posts here it seems that many more cross south for shopping, medical treatment etc every day.

But the situation does not suit Zan's fantasy.

We have differing fantasies Nikitas......When you come down off your cloud we can meet somewhere in the middle...Happy gliding!!!!

Unfortunately for you Zan its not a fantasy. Ask any Cypriot who lives in Cyprus (tc or gc) what goes on every day over here. You have no idea.

I ask them nearly on a daily basis DT.......My family. They have seen a little of both......Respect and intimidation.

[DT.]

zan has a peculiar axe to grind.

I was in Cyprus last year, for a family matter, and went to Kakopetria in the mountains to meet a cousin. The three cafes in the center of the town were full of TCs, the streets full of TC cars, this on a weekday. They had gone to the town for entertainment and were totally at ease and comfortable in their surroundings.

Last time I checked some 12000 TCs work in the south and cross daily with no problems, and from posts here it seems that many more cross south for shopping, medical treatment etc every day.

But the situation does not suit Zan's fantasy.

We have differing fantasies Nikitas......When you come down off your cloud we can meet somewhere in the middle...Happy gliding!!!!

Unfortunately for you Zan its not a fantasy. Ask any Cypriot who lives in Cyprus (tc or gc) what goes on every day over here. You have no idea.

I ask them nearly on a daily basis DT.......My family. They have seen a little of both......Respect and intimidation.

When was the last time a member of your family came over to the govt controlled area?