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Casualty statistics of the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus

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Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:18 pm

zan wrote:How much do you want for your lies and the list you just gave us of the GCs supposedly killed by the Turks when it is clear it was by the coupists.......I mean...They must be priceless considering how old they are and how well they have been kept...Until now!!!!!!!!! 8)

The coup was a clash between two fairly evenly matched sides in all respects, over a period of around five days whereas the Turkish invasion was a one-sided 40,000 military machine sweep of Cyprus from top to center over a period of a month!

Given the above, you are now called upon to utilize all your common sense to figure out which of the two events resulted in the 100 fatalities and which in the 5-6 thousand... :lol:
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Postby iceman » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:28 pm

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One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:30 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:How much do you want for your lies and the list you just gave us of the GCs supposedly killed by the Turks when it is clear it was by the coupists.......I mean...They must be priceless considering how old they are and how well they have been kept...Until now!!!!!!!!! 8)

The coup was a clash between two fairly evenly matched sides in all respects, over a period of around five days whereas the Turkish invasion was a one-sided 40,000 military machine sweep of Cyprus from top to center over a period of a month!

Given the above, you are now called upon to utilize all your common sense to figure out which of the two events resulted in the 100 fatalities and which in the 5-6 thousand... :lol:


Most importantly the coup was only against the government. The coupists did not target civilians.

On the other hand the Turkish army targeted civilians because their aim was to ethnically cleanse the north part of Cyprus from all Greek Cypriots.
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Postby zan » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:How much do you want for your lies and the list you just gave us of the GCs supposedly killed by the Turks when it is clear it was by the coupists.......I mean...They must be priceless considering how old they are and how well they have been kept...Until now!!!!!!!!! 8)

The coup was a clash between two fairly evenly matched sides in all respects, over a period of around five days whereas the Turkish invasion was a one-sided 40,000 military machine sweep of Cyprus from top to center over a period of a month!

Given the above, you are now called upon to utilize all your common sense to figure out which of the two events resulted in the 100 fatalities and which in the 5-6 thousand... :lol:


Missing Persons

No human tragedy has been the subject of such blatant political exploitation as the case of missing persons in Cyprus. For more than twenty years Greek Cypriot governments have deceived their people into thinking that their loved ones might still be alive, but in October 1995 they had to admit that not only were many of them known to be dead, but that the whereabouts of their remains were also known, and had been withheld from their families. Some were not even missing. Andreas Mayas (Missing Person no. 572), was receiving a state pension.

On 3rd March 1996 the Greek Cypriot Cyprus Mail wrote: "(Greek) Cypriot governments have found it convenient to conceal the scale of atrocities during the 15th July coup in an attempt to downplay its contribution to the tragedy of the summer of 1974 and instead blame the Turkish invasion for all casualties. There can be no justification for any government that failed to investigate this sensitive humanitarian issue. The shocking admission by the Clerides government that there are people buried in Nicosia cemetery who are still included in the list of the "missing" is the last episode of a human drama which has been turned into a propaganda tool."

On 19th October 1996 Mr. Georgios Lanitis wrote: "I was serving with the Foreign Information Service of the Republic of Cyprus in London...I deeply apologise to all those I told that there are 1,619 missing persons. I misled them. I was made a liar, deliberately, by the Government of Cyprus....today it seems that the credibility of Cyprus is nil."

On 17th April 1991 Ambassador Nelson Ledsky testified before the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "Most of the missing persons disappeared in the first days of July 1974, before the Turkish intervention on the 20th. Many killed on the Greek side were killed by Greek Cypriots in fighting between supporters of Makarios and Sampson."

On 19th July 1974, before the Turkish army landed, Archbishop Makarios told the UN Security Council "I do not yet know the details of the Cyprus crisis caused by the Greek military regime. I am afraid that the number of losses is great...I considered the danger from Turkey lesser than the danger from Greek army officers."

The Greek newspaper TA NEA published an interview on 28th February 1976 with Father Papatsestos, the Greek Orthodox priest in charge of the Nicosia cemetery. He recounted the events of 17th July 1974 when Greek officers required him to bury truckloads of Greek Cypriots in mass graves, together with one young Greek Cypriot whom they buried alive, and ten dead Turkish Cypriots. This one priest counted at least 127 bodies brought to him, and there must have been many similar incidents throughout the island.

On 22nd July 1974 The Times reported that "a production Director from Dublin said he had seen bodies being buried in a mass grave near Paphos after last Monday's coup. People were told by Makarios to lay down their guns and were shot out of hand by the National Guard, he said."

On 6th November 1974 TA NEA reported the erasure of dates from the graves of Greek Cypriots killed in the five days 15th - 20th July, in order to blame their deaths on the subsequent Turkish military action.

On 5th March 1996, US Ambassador Ledsky confirmed that there is no evidence that any of the missing persons is still alive.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:35 pm

iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??


Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.
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Postby zan » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:37 pm

Piratis wrote:
iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??


Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.


That should about clear it up........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby DT. » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:41 pm

Piratis wrote:
iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??


Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.


Its still shameful that we have a lot of these old bastards running around the place having never been punished.
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Postby iceman » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:42 pm

Piratis wrote:
iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??


Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.



Is that all? What about the Cypriot coupists who should have been held responsible?
Is it not a crime to organise a coup d'état against the government?
Is it not a crime to kill fellow countrymen in the process?
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Postby iceman » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:43 pm

DT. wrote:
Piratis wrote:
iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??


Samson was jailed for many years. The same happened with the Junta generals in Greece.


Its still shameful that we have a lot of these old bastards running around the place having never been punished.


Thank you very much DT...I also think it is shameful to let these bastards get away with their crimes...
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:47 pm

iceman wrote:GR
One thing has been bugging me for years..
The Cypriot coupists who took part in coup d'état and killed fellow GC's were all known were they not?
Has any coupist been trialed after 1974 for causing death to other Cypriots between 15th -20 july 1974?

If not........WHY??

Re Sampson…

“In 1977 Sampson was the only participant in the coup to face trial. He was sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment, but in 1979 he was permitted to go to France for medical treatment. He returned to prison in 1990, but he was freed again because of his continuing poor health.”

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... os-Sampson

The country was pretty much split down the middle for or against the coup so it became extremely messy when half the country attempted to condemn the other half! Also, many coupists escaped to Greece never to return.

I recall brother arresting brother or son arresting father during the coup... such was the mental poisoning emanating from Greece all those years.
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