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[MrH]

Does this list include all of the Greek Cypriots Killed by the Greek (mainland) EOKA-B Terrorists? Or does it list the incredibly high figure of the so-called GCs killed by the Turkish Army!

Drop it mate - the United Nations know the official figures (and the lies), that's perhaps the reason why the United Nations can't simply "Order" Turkey out of the TRNC!

It's amazing how this issue always falls flat on its face every time it comes up in any inter-communal talks - could it be, perhaps, due to the fact that Turkey really did come to save the Turkish Cypriots AND the GREEK CYPRIOTS from being completely slaughtered by the invading Greek Army terrorists on 15th July 1974 - Greek Coup?

Rather than digging-up pointless bias figures from probably ultra-nationalist GC sources, try viewing the pictures of the dead on the ATCA website! (or, if you don't trust what you see) Try asking the United Nations to show you all of the Pictures and Video Archive footage from that particular time.

The Greek Cypriots, for some (Egocentric, Preconceived) reason, believe that this information will somehow HELP to repatriate the unpardonable loss felt by both peoples of Cyprus, where in fact it promotes and confirms why Cyprus is best left partitioned, officially. Why don't we ask the Jews of World War II Germany how they felt in those concentration camps? Why don't we ask the many Turkish Cypriot so-called "Minority" people killed between 1963-4 whether they would agree to unification? The answer is: You go your way, and we'll go ours! Digging up the past only strengthens the need to become independent, and not the need to form insecure federations - especially bogus, intensely criticised and scrutinised ones (UN Cyprus plans) like what is always written for Cyprus (us)!

GR - no matter what is said or endlessly argued by both Turkish and Greek Cypriots on this matter, the truth is that both sides HAVE THEIR OWN STORIES and will NEVER backtrack from them. Our bloody history is too recent, thus is the reason why Partition is the only way forward. At least with Partition we may one day, after about two hundred years (but fat chance with all the latest video technology we have), find it easier to push aside and live as human beings! Until then, the events of 1955-1974 are only a stone-throw away, too recent, too fresh, still living with today's people and generation.

May there be peace to all the friends and families of those times, regardless of whether you were/are a Turkish or Greek Cypriot.

Partition is our safest destiny!

[zan]

CYPRUS: THE MISSING PERSONS
In the history of mankind, perhaps no tragedy has been exploited for sheer political propaganda, as much as the missing persons in Cyprus. Not only that, the propaganda has been based on deceit and deliberate falsehood. This has been the policy of the Greek Cypriot Administration in South Cyprus since 1977 when Makarios decided to exploit the issue, within the context of his -long term struggle- against the Turkish side, following the Turkish intervention in the island, under inter- national Treaty of Guarantee rights and obligations, to save the Turkish Cypriots from annihilation and to prevent the annexation (Enosis) of Cyprus by Greece. After the fleeing of Makarios from Cyprus on 15 July 1974, following the Sampson Coup against him and the following the fall of the coup -President, terrorist Sampson, soon afterwards, in the wake of the Turkish intervention, the leaders of the two communities at the time, Mr Denktash and Mr Clerides, took up personally the issue of missing persons and resolved the issue, but for a small number of cases, through Intercommunal Talks and with the assistance of an ad-hoc Humanitarian Committee, with the assistance of delegates from the International Committee of the Red Cross.
When Makarios returned to the island, he ousted Clerides from the presidency, snubbing him at the same time by reversing many policy decisions that had been taken by Clerides, one being on the issue of the missing persons, which he (Makarios), revived and started taking to the UN and various other international platforms. It is since then that a powerful Greek Cypriot propaganda machine began to distort the facts and even fabricate fairy-tale stories on the subject in order to tarnish the image of Turkey. Following the UN General Assembly Resolution No. 32/129 of December 1977, intercommunal contacts were commenced under the auspices of the UN Secretary Generals Special Representative in Cyprus which resulted in the setting up of a Committee on Missing Persons (CMP) in Cyprus, comprising one representative from each community and one from the ICRC, which was charged with the task of conducting investigations, under agreed rules and procedures, in order to ascertain the fate of the 803 Turkish-Cypriot and 1619 Greek-Cypriot missing persons who had been abducted or dissapeared on the island during the events which took place in 1963-64 and 1974.
The CMP has not been allowed by the Greek Cypriot sides negative attitude to make progress because of its insistence on the production of -concrete evidence- which they interpret as -identifiable bodily remains-. All other evidence, however strong and convincing, is unacceptable to the Greek Cypriot side. So, not a single case has been closed so far. Eye witnesses accounts that the allegedly missing persons who was shot dead have been rejected by the Greek Cypriot side, who insists on the production of identifiable remains when the terms of reference do not require such production and when they themselves have not produced one single -remains- of missing Turkish Cypriots since December 1963. It has never mattered for the Greek Cypriots leaders that their policy has meant the prolongations of the agony and suffering of several hundred families on both sides of the island, Turkish cypriot families and Greek Cypriot families. It has been the common propaganda line of both Greece and Greek Cypriot Administration after Makarios return, that the 1619 missing Greek Cypriots were arrested by the Turkish Army in 1974 and transported to Turkey where they are still held as hostages! Briefly, the problem of missing persons in Cyprus first arose in 1963 with the pre-planned (Akritas Plan) Greek Cypriot armed attacks on the Turkish Cypriots all over the island. Official UN records bear testimony to this. Over 500 Turkish Cypriot civilians were abducted, over 200 of whom still remain unaccounted for to this day. The events of 1974 added another 600 to the Turkish Cypriot missing persons, bringing the total to 803.
The Greek Cypriots also claim to have 1619 missing persons from 1974. But the cause of their dissapearance is not stated by them. 1200 of the 1619 were soldiers who must be presumed to have died in combat, most of them during the 5 day coup and the rest while attacking the Turkish Intervention Force. They know this and privately admit the extensive killings and executions during the 5 day intra Greek Cypriot community civil war or the ensuing intercommunal fightings on the island. That there have been revenge killings of -hostages- on both sides is tragic but true, the result of the feelings of mutual mistrust, hate and revenge accumulated over a quarter of a century of violence and friction between the two communities at the root of which lies Greek Cypriot attempts to oust the Turkish Cypriots from the island to pave the way for ENOSIS. The current Greek Cypriot leader Glafkos Clerides who had dealt with the issue of missing persons with president Rauf Denktash, between 1974- 76, in his recent book titled -Cyprus: My Deposition- (p.232) underlined the truth about the missing persons with the following words:
[In the meantime, several people, both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, who for one reason or another, found themselves in areas controlled by forces belonging to the other community, were killed in cold blood. Both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot leaderships proved unable to prevent the extremist elements of their communities from committing such shameful, barbaric, and cowardly criminal acts. As a result, those who lost their lives were simply listed as missing persons.]
The following excerpts from the record of the Intercommunal Meeting held at Ledra Palace on 11 September 1974, between President Denktash and Mr Clerides also sheds light to the intercommunal nature of the tragedy.
Mr Denktas: Greek prisoners of war have been removed to Turkey because we have no proper accomodation for them in Cyprus. Your papers accuse the Turkish Army of every ill on earth. This is unfair and unjust. You know and I know, from contacts with our people, that unfortunately those who do harm to each other and those who resort to looting are Cypriots; Greek Cypriots ill-treat the Turkish Cypriots and vice versa. This is the result of 20 years of lawlessness and immorality.
Mr Clerides: You are right. When I get information that Turkish villages are being molested I usually send to the area Greek mainland officers because I do not trust the local (Greek Cypriot) ones.
Despite the fact that the tragedy of missing persons is of Cypriot origin, one between the two communities and, had been taken up and pain-takingly enlightened and resolved between Denktash and Clerides way back in 1976, the version invented and launched by Makarios in 1977 continues to be marketed by the Greek Cypriot side as a means of pressure on Turkey, notwithstanding the ICRCs statement dated 11.3.1976 to the effect that all Greek Cypriot prisoners taken to Turkey for custodial security reasons had been brought back to Cyprus and released.
It is the basic tenet of Greek Cypriot propaganda that Turks and Greeks of the island can get on quite well and could live together in a unitary state (ruled by the majority) if only Turkey, -for expansionist aims-, did not -interfere- in the affairs of Cyprus and prevent cooperation between the two island communities. So they use the missing persons issue as a means of pressure on Turkey and for that reason do not wish to be resolved. And in the meantime the suspense is agonising hundreds of parents, and relatives who are waiting for information about the fate of their loved ones.
We speak on behalf of the Turkish Cypriot families who demand that an end be put to the agony and distress by the Committee on Missing Persons, informing them of the result of its investgations so far. We therefore, as the Committee of Relatives of Turkish Cypriot Missing Persons, would like to make a strong appeal to all concerned with the issue not to be misled by Greek Cypriot side to see the futility of and to desist from such propaganda, thus allowing the issue to be resolved by the autonomous Tripartite Committee on Missing Persons, within its agreed terms of reference and in strict accordance with internationally accepted humanitarian principles.

[DT.]

CYPRUS: THE MISSING PERSONS
In the history of mankind, perhaps no tragedy has been exploited for sheer political propaganda, as much as the missing persons in Cyprus. Not only that, the propaganda has been based on deceit and deliberate falsehood. This has been the policy of the Greek Cypriot Administration in South Cyprus since 1977 when Makarios decided to exploit the issue, within the context of his -long term struggle- against the Turkish side, following the Turkish intervention in the island, under inter- national Treaty of Guarantee rights and obligations, to save the Turkish Cypriots from annihilation and to prevent the annexation (Enosis) of Cyprus by Greece. After the fleeing of Makarios from Cyprus on 15 July 1974, following the Sampson Coup against him and the following the fall of the coup -President, terrorist Sampson, soon afterwards, in the wake of the Turkish intervention, the leaders of the two communities at the time, Mr Denktash and Mr Clerides, took up personally the issue of missing persons and resolved the issue, but for a small number of cases, through Intercommunal Talks and with the assistance of an ad-hoc Humanitarian Committee, with the assistance of delegates from the International Committee of the Red Cross.
When Makarios returned to the island, he ousted Clerides from the presidency, snubbing him at the same time by reversing many policy decisions that had been taken by Clerides, one being on the issue of the missing persons, which he (Makarios), revived and started taking to the UN and various other international platforms. It is since then that a powerful Greek Cypriot propaganda machine began to distort the facts and even fabricate fairy-tale stories on the subject in order to tarnish the image of Turkey. Following the UN General Assembly Resolution No. 32/129 of December 1977, intercommunal contacts were commenced under the auspices of the UN Secretary Generals Special Representative in Cyprus which resulted in the setting up of a Committee on Missing Persons (CMP) in Cyprus, comprising one representative from each community and one from the ICRC, which was charged with the task of conducting investigations, under agreed rules and procedures, in order to ascertain the fate of the 803 Turkish-Cypriot and 1619 Greek-Cypriot missing persons who had been abducted or dissapeared on the island during the events which took place in 1963-64 and 1974.
The CMP has not been allowed by the Greek Cypriot sides negative attitude to make progress because of its insistence on the production of -concrete evidence- which they interpret as -identifiable bodily remains-. All other evidence, however strong and convincing, is unacceptable to the Greek Cypriot side. So, not a single case has been closed so far. Eye witnesses accounts that the allegedly missing persons who was shot dead have been rejected by the Greek Cypriot side, who insists on the production of identifiable remains when the terms of reference do not require such production and when they themselves have not produced one single -remains- of missing Turkish Cypriots since December 1963. It has never mattered for the Greek Cypriots leaders that their policy has meant the prolongations of the agony and suffering of several hundred families on both sides of the island, Turkish cypriot families and Greek Cypriot families. It has been the common propaganda line of both Greece and Greek Cypriot Administration after Makarios return, that the 1619 missing Greek Cypriots were arrested by the Turkish Army in 1974 and transported to Turkey where they are still held as hostages! Briefly, the problem of missing persons in Cyprus first arose in 1963 with the pre-planned (Akritas Plan) Greek Cypriot armed attacks on the Turkish Cypriots all over the island. Official UN records bear testimony to this. Over 500 Turkish Cypriot civilians were abducted, over 200 of whom still remain unaccounted for to this day. The events of 1974 added another 600 to the Turkish Cypriot missing persons, bringing the total to 803.
The Greek Cypriots also claim to have 1619 missing persons from 1974. But the cause of their dissapearance is not stated by them. 1200 of the 1619 were soldiers who must be presumed to have died in combat, most of them during the 5 day coup and the rest while attacking the Turkish Intervention Force. They know this and privately admit the extensive killings and executions during the 5 day intra Greek Cypriot community civil war or the ensuing intercommunal fightings on the island. That there have been revenge killings of -hostages- on both sides is tragic but true, the result of the feelings of mutual mistrust, hate and revenge accumulated over a quarter of a century of violence and friction between the two communities at the root of which lies Greek Cypriot attempts to oust the Turkish Cypriots from the island to pave the way for ENOSIS. The current Greek Cypriot leader Glafkos Clerides who had dealt with the issue of missing persons with president Rauf Denktash, between 1974- 76, in his recent book titled -Cyprus: My Deposition- (p.232) underlined the truth about the missing persons with the following words:
[In the meantime, several people, both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, who for one reason or another, found themselves in areas controlled by forces belonging to the other community, were killed in cold blood. Both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot leaderships proved unable to prevent the extremist elements of their communities from committing such shameful, barbaric, and cowardly criminal acts. As a result, those who lost their lives were simply listed as missing persons.]
The following excerpts from the record of the Intercommunal Meeting held at Ledra Palace on 11 September 1974, between President Denktash and Mr Clerides also sheds light to the intercommunal nature of the tragedy.
Mr Denktas: Greek prisoners of war have been removed to Turkey because we have no proper accomodation for them in Cyprus. Your papers accuse the Turkish Army of every ill on earth. This is unfair and unjust. You know and I know, from contacts with our people, that unfortunately those who do harm to each other and those who resort to looting are Cypriots; Greek Cypriots ill-treat the Turkish Cypriots and vice versa. This is the result of 20 years of lawlessness and immorality.
Mr Clerides: You are right. When I get information that Turkish villages are being molested I usually send to the area Greek mainland officers because I do not trust the local (Greek Cypriot) ones.
Despite the fact that the tragedy of missing persons is of Cypriot origin, one between the two communities and, had been taken up and pain-takingly enlightened and resolved between Denktash and Clerides way back in 1976, the version invented and launched by Makarios in 1977 continues to be marketed by the Greek Cypriot side as a means of pressure on Turkey, notwithstanding the ICRCs statement dated 11.3.1976 to the effect that all Greek Cypriot prisoners taken to Turkey for custodial security reasons had been brought back to Cyprus and released.
It is the basic tenet of Greek Cypriot propaganda that Turks and Greeks of the island can get on quite well and could live together in a unitary state (ruled by the majority) if only Turkey, -for expansionist aims-, did not -interfere- in the affairs of Cyprus and prevent cooperation between the two island communities. So they use the missing persons issue as a means of pressure on Turkey and for that reason do not wish to be resolved. And in the meantime the suspense is agonising hundreds of parents, and relatives who are waiting for information about the fate of their loved ones.
We speak on behalf of the Turkish Cypriot families who demand that an end be put to the agony and distress by the Committee on Missing Persons, informing them of the result of its investgations so far. We therefore, as the Committee of Relatives of Turkish Cypriot Missing Persons, would like to make a strong appeal to all concerned with the issue not to be misled by Greek Cypriot side to see the futility of and to desist from such propaganda, thus allowing the issue to be resolved by the autonomous Tripartite Committee on Missing Persons, within its agreed terms of reference and in strict accordance with internationally accepted humanitarian principles.

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/rum.htm

where the hell do you find these websites you pick stories from???

This one is called South Cyprus the paradise of Terrorism!!

I'm starting to worry about the friends you're keeping these days.

[DT.]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

[zan]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

[DT.]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

Zan, you obviosuly subscribe to some pretty disturbing sites for all your info. Have you introduced any of these GC hating sites to your family and friends?

[zan]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

Zan, you obviosuly subscribe to some pretty disturbing sites for all your info. Have you introduced any of these GC hating sites to your family and friends?

I pick up facts from sites that you have not corrupted or wiped out.....Not the whole site but facts......Because they are somewhere unpallatable is not the issue....The facts are what is getting on your wick mate.... Don't start bringing family into this because you are on the back foot fatboy!!!!

[DT.]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

Zan, you obviosuly subscribe to some pretty disturbing sites for all your info. Have you introduced any of these GC hating sites to your family and friends?

I pick up facts from sites that you have not corrupted or wiped out.....Not the whole site but facts......Because they are somewhere unpallatable is not the issue....The facts are what is getting on your wick mate.... Don't start bringing family into this because you are on the back foot fatboy!!!!

fatboy? I'm probably the skinniest guy on this forum!

[zan]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

Zan, you obviosuly subscribe to some pretty disturbing sites for all your info. Have you introduced any of these GC hating sites to your family and friends?

I pick up facts from sites that you have not corrupted or wiped out.....Not the whole site but facts......Because they are somewhere unpallatable is not the issue....The facts are what is getting on your wick mate.... Don't start bringing family into this because you are on the back foot fatboy!!!!

fatboy? I'm probably the skinniest guy on this forum!

Where do you live...In the hall of mirrors!!!

[DT.]

From the same website as Zan's fountain of wisdom...

The following is a list of Greek Cypriot Organizations which promoted
ENOSIS -union of Cyprus with Greece- through armed assaults,
killings, and terrorism all over the island.

(Source: The Cyprus Revolt by Nancy Crawshaw)


AKEL Anorthotikon Komma Ergazomenou Laou
Reform Party of the Working People

I love it when you guys are on the run........Resorting to age old tricks to discredit the story with the source........Its much cuter seeing Bafidis doing it though....GRs lapdog.....Were you responsible for lumbering GR with him or did he cut his own throat trying to teach the young pup Greek ways???

Zan, you obviosuly subscribe to some pretty disturbing sites for all your info. Have you introduced any of these GC hating sites to your family and friends?

I pick up facts from sites that you have not corrupted or wiped out.....Not the whole site but facts......Because they are somewhere unpallatable is not the issue....The facts are what is getting on your wick mate.... Don't start bringing family into this because you are on the back foot fatboy!!!!

fatboy? I'm probably the skinniest guy on this forum!

Where do you live...In the hall of mirrors!!!

must have me confused with someone else.