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Any solution will contain a compensation element for land used by the north, you hardly expect to get land back where someone has spent millions building a holiday complex, or a man has built his home and lived there for 30 years or has developed and sold homes, you cant just demolish all these developments just to return it to the pre 1974 owner. Reality is a harsh thing and hard cash will help heal those wounds, if fair prices are paid (and this is what we should ensure happens for all refugees who are unable to get their land back) then people can buy land elsewhere and move on. And please dont spin me that ancestral lands bullshit, ample compensation will ensure the majority of refugees are made happy.

Of course!
When your history in this country is limited, any reference to our ancestral lands sounds like “bullshit” to you.

I cannot criticise nor help you on that.

If you priotitise your rights in this island because of you came earlier, this conflict will go forever.

[Kifeas]

You actually want to say an "agreement" according to your measures and standards!

Not only mine, all of TC with exceptions.

Listen, I am not saying nobody will return to his house. Of course, there will some returns, but if you say all of them should, we can never have an agreement.

TC will sacrify all of its rights at south as well of course.

Do you know that you (TCs) have already developed or sold to foreigners (in terms of real estate value,) by far more GC land, than what you have left in the south?

[detailer]

You actually want to say an "agreement" according to your measures and standards!

Not only mine, all of TC with exceptions.

Listen, I am not saying nobody will return to his house. Of course, there will some returns, but if you say all of them should, we can never have an agreement.

TC will sacrify all of its rights at south as well of course.

Do you know that you (TCs) have already developed or sold to foreigners (in terms of real estate value,) by far more GC land, than what you have left in the south?

references please?

If that is correct the ones who currently keep these places will have compensate GC after an agreement.

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Im not trying to demine anyones thoughts and heartache but reality kicks home and the feasibility of all GCs refugees returning is not possible for the reasons i mentioned earlier. I and many TCs are for as many GCs getting back their ancestral lands as feasibly possible otherwise the compensation issue has to operate and we should ensure that all refugees get a fair deal with compensation. Thats why we should work together to raise as much funds to fairly compensate refugees as soon as possible. Kifeas you are an educated person put down your nationalist defence guard for a few seconds and acknowledge that 30 years has changed not only us as people but the land has been developed used and lives have been built on them, we have to accept this draw the line as soon as possible so that no more GC land is developed so that as many GCs as feasibly possible can get their land back, but if we string this out another 30 years can you imagine the property issue then?

[Kifeas]

Any solution will contain a compensation element for land used by the north, you hardly expect to get land back where someone has spent millions building a holiday complex, or a man has built his home and lived there for 30 years or has developed and sold homes, you cant just demolish all these developments just to return it to the pre 1974 owner. Reality is a harsh thing and hard cash will help heal those wounds, if fair prices are paid (and this is what we should ensure happens for all refugees who are unable to get their land back) then people can buy land elsewhere and move on. And please dont spin me that ancestral lands bullshit, ample compensation will ensure the majority of refugees are made happy.

Of course!
When your history in this country is limited, any reference to our ancestral lands sounds like “bullshit” to you.

I cannot criticise nor help you on that.

If you priotitise your rights in this island because of you came earlier, this conflict will go forever.

I do not want to prioritise our rights in this island because we came earlier.
It is you (TCs) who want to prioritise your rights in this island, based on the military power of Turkey that you have behind you and the de facto situation that you and Turkey created and continue to create, against the GCs and their interests.

[Kifeas]

You actually want to say an "agreement" according to your measures and standards!

Not only mine, all of TC with exceptions.

Listen, I am not saying nobody will return to his house. Of course, there will some returns, but if you say all of them should, we can never have an agreement.

TC will sacrify all of its rights at south as well of course.

Do you know that you (TCs) have already developed or sold to foreigners (in terms of real estate value,) by far more GC land, than what you have left in the south?

references please?

If that is correct the ones who currently keep these places will have compensate GC after an agreement.

references!

And were will they find all these money?

[detailer]

I accept that we use Turkey's power to some extent. The simple truth is that we are defenceless against GC without Turkey.

[detailer]

You actually want to say an "agreement" according to your measures and standards!

Not only mine, all of TC with exceptions.

Listen, I am not saying nobody will return to his house. Of course, there will some returns, but if you say all of them should, we can never have an agreement.

TC will sacrify all of its rights at south as well of course.

Do you know that you (TCs) have already developed or sold to foreigners (in terms of real estate value,) by far more GC land, than what you have left in the south?

references please?

If that is correct the ones who currently keep these places will have compensate GC after an agreement.

references!

And were will they find all these money?

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Kifeas

Do you know that you (TCs) have already developed or sold to foreigners (in terms of real estate value,) by far more GC land, than what you have left in the south?

Please allow for the propoganda element, you are right there are holiday homes being built for sale to foreigners, this figure is being blown out of all proportion to ignite your emotions and the current GCs law suits euphoria is a show to try and stop these sales through worls attention, do you feel one english person will be arrested??? try it and see the consquences, wont be a pretty picture. Just consider for one second if this campaign against foreign buyers backfires and British courts put on hold the orams case, sales and prices will rocket in the north, is this what GCs really want??? These courts cases will do more harm than good.

[Kifeas]

Im not trying to demine anyones thoughts and heartache but reality kicks home and the feasibility of all GCs refugees returning is not possible for the reasons i mentioned earlier. I and many TCs are for as many GCs getting back their ancestral lands as feasibly possible otherwise the compensation issue has to operate and we should ensure that all refugees get a fair deal with compensation. Thats why we should work together to raise as much funds to fairly compensate refugees as soon as possible. Kifeas you are an educated person put down your nationalist defence guard for a few seconds and acknowledge that 30 years has changed not only us as people but the land has been developed used and lives have been built on them, we have to accept this draw the line as soon as possible so that no more GC land is developed so that as many GCs as feasibly possible can get their land back, but if we string this out another 30 years can you imagine the property issue then?

From the moment you are not willing to accept that the continuation of this illegal looting of GC properties that currently takes place, should immediately be stopped because it ruins any solution prospects, I am not willing to put down any "nationalistic" feelings or accept to "sell out" my legal property rights, either.