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[Bananiot]

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[Kifeas]

Nationalists, of the likes of DIKO and EDEK who co-govern with Christofias and of course, yourself Kifeas. Do not start crying now for you have become a right old nationalist, one that has finally seen the world with Denktash's eyes and seconds his cries for partition as the only possible solution. Unless of course you have changed your mind again.

Bananiot, be sincere for once and try to honestly answer the question properly! What else Christofias would have been able to offer, further from what he already did, and which he was not let to do so because of DIKO and EDEK?

[zan]

Halil, I read the interview and I know how he feels about Christofias. I think we should wait and see, may be we can soon push aside the nationalists and get on with the process of finding solution.

A good strong honest agreement will see the parameters that qualify some as nationalists alter Bananiot.

It indeed it makes a mockery of you, your above statement, Zan, not because of my comments to Bananiot, but the fact that it is a meaningless statement to begin with.

So there are NO nationalists then...Is that what you are saying???

[zan]

Halil, I read the interview and I know how he feels about Christofias. I think we should wait and see, may be we can soon push aside the nationalists and get on with the process of finding solution.

A good strong honest agreement will see the parameters that qualify some as nationalists alter Bananiot.

It indeed it makes a mockery of you, your above statement, Zan, not because of my comments to Bananiot, but the fact that it is a meaningless statement to begin with.

So there are NO nationalists then...Is that what you are saying???

I might think you are a psychotic nut Kifeas but I do respect the way you realise your mistake and the way the conversation is going to go, and shut up.

[Bananiot]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

[Paphitis]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

What is disgraceful post. You call DIKO and EDEK nationalists because they do not accept a BBF solution, which is really not a BBF solution but is a BBC solution or "Confederacy". You believe that they are nationalist because they wish to implement the EU Acquis across the whole island, should a solution occur, and because they stand and fight for basic human and democratic rights such as 1 man one vote, and proportional representation. You call them nationalist because they do not accept any external influence and control by Turkey, and oppose any Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey. You call them nationalist because they reject the Annan Plan, as did 76% of the electorate, as it undermined conventional human and democratic rights as accepted all over the world.

Unfortunately for you, President Christofias also rejects the Annan Plan. He did say only recently that this plan was "dead and buried". I guess this makes President Christofias a nationalist as well.

As for the events of 63, no one has ever denied mutual culpability. However, you need to put things into context. It was the TCs that withdrew from the RoC Government when Makarios tried to introduce a 13 point constitutional amendment plan. This plan was introduced because Cyprus did not have effective Governance. The TCs had veto rights which effectively resulted in 18% of the population controlling the whole Government. Where is the justice in that?

You also forget, quite conveniently, that it was the TCs that FIRST engaged the GCs in intercommunal violence in 1958. You also, quite conveniently fail to mention that in 63, the TCs were FORCED into enclaves by their very own TMT, to make it easier for them to further their partitionist plans from the 50s.

Recently, a constitutional expert described the Cyprus Constitution of 1960 as "the most ludicrous and ineffective document". He described it as "unworkable" and also stated that Makarios was justified in trying to overhaul the constitution. These are the words of neutral Australian analysts and experts on Cyprus, and who are acting as advisors to the UN Envoy on Cyprus.

[zan]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

I know I don't have to lecture you on how the same is happening in the North Bananiot but I can say thank you for bringing some sanity into this Forum......

[Paphitis]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

I know I don't have to lecture you on how the same is happening in the North Bananiot but I can say thank you for bringing some sanity into this Forum......

And here we have it folks. The most "nationalistic Turk" on this forum giving thanks to Bananiot.

[zan]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

I know I don't have to lecture you on how the same is happening in the North Bananiot but I can say thank you for bringing some sanity into this Forum......

And here we have it folks. The most "nationalistic Turk" on this forum giving thanks to Bananiot.

And then of course we have the likes of Bafidis...... The most outspoken does not qualify me as the most nationalistic dear heart.....

[Paphitis]

I remember Christofias admitting that we are just as responsible for the events in 1963 and the nationalists jumping on him like vultures. The Turkish Cypriot mutiny story still hold steadfast.

I remember Christofias pointing out that in 1959 we formed the RoC in equal partnership with the Turkish Cypriots and the nationalists becoming ... Turks (a phrase we use to indicate that someone is really angry) with rage.

I remember Christofias saying that the Annan Plan could be the solution of our problem provided certain things were changed so that the Greek Cypriot community could accept it. Instead, he went along with the nationalists and rejected the Annan Plan as a basis for the negotiations, before the start of the negotiations, forcing the other side to move to a tough stance that makes life difficult for everyone. All these because he wanted to appease the nationalists.

I know I don't have to lecture you on how the same is happening in the North Bananiot but I can say thank you for bringing some sanity into this Forum......

And here we have it folks. The most "nationalistic Turk" on this forum giving thanks to Bananiot.

And then of course we have the likes of Bafidis...... The most outspoken does not qualify me as the most nationalistic dear heart.....

So now you deny that you are a "nationalist Turk" favouring permanant partition. Are you telling us that you are a moderate?

Sorry Zanny...But Karma or Iceman, you are not.