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[kurupetos]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

[zan]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

No politician will be at the funeral. Allegedly no 'protection' for them could be arranged as is the correct protocol.

I am glad you used the word allegedly Deniz!!! I am sure that after the public arena a sealed reception for those at risk could have been provided for......

If anyone would be in danger, it would be other GC politicians and not the TC ones. IMO.

I used the word 'allegedly' lest there was a mistranslation in the Kibris newspaper. However a pretext is a pretext in any language.

[Paphitis]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

I am certain that what you said is true.

Cypriots were all that mattered to him. But still, it would have been nice if there were wreaths laid by Foreign diplomats.

I for one am very disappointed in my own country for not being present at the Church Service, as a sign of respect to a former President.

[zan]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

I am certain that what you said is true.

Cypriots were all that mattered to him. But still, it would have been nice if there were wreaths laid by Foreign diplomats.

I for one am very disappointed in my own country for not being present at the Church Service, as a sign of respect to a former President.

Shows you the complications of this mans status.....History will judge him, as others have said. I hope that half the history is not forgotten.

[Paphitis]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

I am certain that what you said is true.

Cypriots were all that mattered to him. But still, it would have been nice if there were wreaths laid by Foreign diplomats.

I for one am very disappointed in my own country for not being present at the Church Service, as a sign of respect to a former President.

Shows you the complications of this mans status.....History will judge him, as others have said. I hope that half the history is not forgotten.

It will not. How can history forget a person who served his country in EOKA's political arm, then as Minister from the age of 24. He served his country for well over 50 years, and will be remembered for instigating the Heroic OHI and thus saving The Republic of Cyprus and her people from destruction.

[miltiades]

AS I said elsewhere,Piratis,there is little point arguing with you..Your mind is made up and nothing will change it...No amount of logical argument or historical facts..You are not after a democratic solution..You are after punishment and revenge...You are so bitter, you can't even see that two wrongs will not make one right...That Turkey failed terribly to deal humanely with Her minorities does not give you the right to deal in the same way with the TCs...Because by insisting on Enosis with Greece at the time you were totally ignoring the TC wishes and fears...That was the tyranny of the majority I was talking about...But you will never see that...

Bir, I didn't see you countering what I say with any logical arguments or historical facts. You are not providing such things with your last post either.

I don't know where you saw that I am after "punishment and revenge". Unlike the TCs that want to violate our rights and take our lands, what I always say is that every Cypriot citizen should have the 100% of his human and democratic rights and the right to his own land. So where did you see the punishment? Unless you mean taking back our land and rights from the TCs who forcefully took them from us is a "punishment" for the TCs?

Also I don't know where you saw the "two wrongs that will make a right" from my part. What I advocate is what is right, which will make a right: Democracy and human rights, as they applied to all other EU states (not Turkey!!). If you had accepted what is right from the beginning then we wouldn't have to go through all this suffering. But it is never too late to accept what is right, so I hope you will finally stop trying to find excuses for yet more wrongs, which can never add up to anything right.

Piratis , in a true democratic Cyprus , it is feasible to see the creation of a new political party or perhaps the evolvement of an existing one that would embrace any political person regardless of colour or " ethnicity" and presuming that the party would select as its leader the best political mind , subject of course to its electoral manifesto such leader could be a T/C , would you , if you were this party's ideological supporter , be happy in the knowledge that a Turkish Cypriot could become the President of a united Cyprus ? Comparisons must be made to the greatest democracy of them all the USA where a black African was elected by mostly the whites accepting him as an American first , and African second.

I would be interested to know whether you still support , as I did but no longer do , the union of Cyprus with Greece , such aspirations were perfectly understandable way back in the 50s when the Cypriots lacked any national identity , very different today when Cyprus is a UN member , a EU member and an "established" nation the world over. Further more the majority have come to see Greece as a "relation " but certainly not as a motherland .

The only way a TC could become president in the place that you have decided to call Cyprus (Which does not exist) would be for him/her to NEVER mention having a Turkish blood line or culture. In short...Become a Greek clone. I can really see a TC in the top job if he doesn't go to church or celebrate Greek culture and completely forget who he/she really is. I don,t really believe you to be a complete fool Miltiades so the only other conclusion is that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes and you do not really believe what you are saying. I wonder what would happen to this Armenian politician if he dared to promote anything Armenian in the "RoC".......How about..Bye bye Mr president!!!



OH! Welcome back by the way. The way you were treated here has me thinking less of this Forum than I did before.

Zan , for an intelligent man that you appear to be your persistence in denying the undeniable is beyond comprehension. Cyprus exists as it has existed for thousands of years only this time a part of it , as against previously when all of it was , is under foreign occupation. The fact remains that the ROC is the ONLY recognised regime internationally and the "trnc" is NOT , it is also , increasing so , seen by the T/Cs as precisely what it is , a part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation.

[zan]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

I am certain that what you said is true.

Cypriots were all that mattered to him. But still, it would have been nice if there were wreaths laid by Foreign diplomats.

I for one am very disappointed in my own country for not being present at the Church Service, as a sign of respect to a former President.

Shows you the complications of this mans status.....History will judge him, as others have said. I hope that half the history is not forgotten.

It will not. How can history forget a person who served his country in EOKA's political arm, then as Minister from the age of 24. He served his country for well over 50 years, and will be remembered for instigating the Heroic OHI and thus saving The Republic of Cyprus and her people from destruction.

He served the GCs and nothing else....The country is split because of it.

[Paphitis]

If it is any consolation, Denktash has also passed on his condolences to the family of TPapa.

I just thought somebody might be wondering.

The best statesman we have ever had.

I have asked the question but people are too scared to answer it....Will former president of the TRNC be allowed to the funeral by the GCs.....Appearing on their streets and TV???

I am positive that Denktash would have been allowed to attend the Church Service as an individual and former leader of the TC community, had he wished to do so.

What was disappointing about the service was that no foreign head of state attended the service. Tassos Pappadopoulos will no doubt be remembered as a statesman of the calibre of Makarios himself, and yet the only Head of State that properly paid due respect to him, was that of Greece. Very sobering thought for those that are so eager to engage in Greek bashing.

Is Greece our only friend?

The GC people was there. That's all he would have wanted.

I am certain that what you said is true.

Cypriots were all that mattered to him. But still, it would have been nice if there were wreaths laid by Foreign diplomats.

I for one am very disappointed in my own country for not being present at the Church Service, as a sign of respect to a former President.

Shows you the complications of this mans status.....History will judge him, as others have said. I hope that half the history is not forgotten.

It will not. How can history forget a person who served his country in EOKA's political arm, then as Minister from the age of 24. He served his country for well over 50 years, and will be remembered for instigating the Heroic OHI and thus saving The Republic of Cyprus and her people from destruction.

He served the GCs and nothing else....The country is split because of it.

Actually Zan, he also served TCs as well, as he fought for a truly just solution based on basic Democratic and Human Rights which would benefit all Cypriot Ctizens and not favour one over the other.

[zan]

AS I said elsewhere,Piratis,there is little point arguing with you..Your mind is made up and nothing will change it...No amount of logical argument or historical facts..You are not after a democratic solution..You are after punishment and revenge...You are so bitter, you can't even see that two wrongs will not make one right...That Turkey failed terribly to deal humanely with Her minorities does not give you the right to deal in the same way with the TCs...Because by insisting on Enosis with Greece at the time you were totally ignoring the TC wishes and fears...That was the tyranny of the majority I was talking about...But you will never see that...

Bir, I didn't see you countering what I say with any logical arguments or historical facts. You are not providing such things with your last post either.

I don't know where you saw that I am after "punishment and revenge". Unlike the TCs that want to violate our rights and take our lands, what I always say is that every Cypriot citizen should have the 100% of his human and democratic rights and the right to his own land. So where did you see the punishment? Unless you mean taking back our land and rights from the TCs who forcefully took them from us is a "punishment" for the TCs?

Also I don't know where you saw the "two wrongs that will make a right" from my part. What I advocate is what is right, which will make a right: Democracy and human rights, as they applied to all other EU states (not Turkey!!). If you had accepted what is right from the beginning then we wouldn't have to go through all this suffering. But it is never too late to accept what is right, so I hope you will finally stop trying to find excuses for yet more wrongs, which can never add up to anything right.

Piratis , in a true democratic Cyprus , it is feasible to see the creation of a new political party or perhaps the evolvement of an existing one that would embrace any political person regardless of colour or " ethnicity" and presuming that the party would select as its leader the best political mind , subject of course to its electoral manifesto such leader could be a T/C , would you , if you were this party's ideological supporter , be happy in the knowledge that a Turkish Cypriot could become the President of a united Cyprus ? Comparisons must be made to the greatest democracy of them all the USA where a black African was elected by mostly the whites accepting him as an American first , and African second.

I would be interested to know whether you still support , as I did but no longer do , the union of Cyprus with Greece , such aspirations were perfectly understandable way back in the 50s when the Cypriots lacked any national identity , very different today when Cyprus is a UN member , a EU member and an "established" nation the world over. Further more the majority have come to see Greece as a "relation " but certainly not as a motherland .

The only way a TC could become president in the place that you have decided to call Cyprus (Which does not exist) would be for him/her to NEVER mention having a Turkish blood line or culture. In short...Become a Greek clone. I can really see a TC in the top job if he doesn't go to church or celebrate Greek culture and completely forget who he/she really is. I don,t really believe you to be a complete fool Miltiades so the only other conclusion is that you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes and you do not really believe what you are saying. I wonder what would happen to this Armenian politician if he dared to promote anything Armenian in the "RoC".......How about..Bye bye Mr president!!!



OH! Welcome back by the way. The way you were treated here has me thinking less of this Forum than I did before.

Zan , for an intelligent man that you appear to be your persistence in denying the undeniable is beyond comprehension. Cyprus exists as it has existed for thousands of years only this time a part of it , as against previously when all of it was , is under foreign occupation. The fact remains that the ROC is the ONLY recognised regime internationally and the "trnc" is NOT , it is also , increasing so , seen by the T/Cs as precisely what it is , a part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation.

The FACTS are Miltiades that there are two parts to Cyprus......Now who is in denial??? One part has Greek flags along side a Greek Cypriot one and the other a Turkish flag along side a Turkish Cypriot one......They are the facts my friend......As long as we have the power we will oppose any attempt at the Greek side taking over our side despite you having won the right to call yourselves the "RoC" through default.

[miltiades]

Zan , we have many many FACTS in this world we live in , take for instance paedophilia , it does exist , incest , it does exist , burglaries , robberies and deceases , all are FACTS . Are we to accept the illegal occupation of a part of our country by Turkey as morally correct because it is a FACT ?

The entire world considers the occupied part of Cyprus to be just that , occupied by Turkey and recognizes that the ROC is the legitimate government of all Cypriots.
I think you know my views on flags so I wont go into it.