Czech/Slovak PEACE Model, or Yugoslavian CONFLICT Model?
Considering Turkey's long-and very ambitious EU membership campaign, with regards to a Cyprus settlement, I ONLY see either an Amicable Czech/Slovak Style "PEACE" Model, or the Yugoslavian "CONFLICT" Model being adopted as the most obvious Cyprus settlement.
Which road do you think we will take, and why? As, understandably, a Cyprus settlement based on a BBF plan is now obviously fading, real fast.
It's clear that the GCs are suffering from a "Reality" complex in their rejection of the former Annan Plan or even agreeing to a Loose Confederation based on Two-Founding Cypriot states due to their "Domination" Orthodox Church policy.
Perhaps the Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model will be our ultimate fate?
How uncompromising the Greek Cypriots are, it's a shame they are nothing like the Czechs!
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by MrH » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:34 pm
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Re: Czech/Slovak "PEACE" Model, or Yugoslavian &qu
by DT. » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:51 pm
MrH wrote:Czech/Slovak PEACE Model, or Yugoslavian CONFLICT Model?
Considering Turkey's long-and very ambitious EU membership campaign, with regards to a Cyprus settlement, I ONLY see either an Amicable Czech/Slovak Style "PEACE" Model, or the Yugoslavian "CONFLICT" Model being adopted as the most obvious Cyprus settlement.
Which road do you think we will take, and why? As, understandably, a Cyprus settlement based on a BBF plan is now obviously fading, real fast.
It's clear that the GCs are suffering from a "Reality" complex in their rejection of the former Annan Plan or even agreeing to a Loose Confederation based on Two-Founding Cypriot states due to their "Domination" Orthodox Church policy.
Perhaps the Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model will be our ultimate fate?
How uncompromising the Greek Cypriots are, it's a shame they are nothing like the Czechs!
When you google Cyprus Forum does it say " If you're turkish, have no idea of the Cyprus problem, know nothing about recent European history and think you can argue out of your arse and convince other members who have the intelligence of bacteria.....this is the forum for you."
At least read up on the demographic makeup of Czechoslovakia first.
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Re: Czech/Slovak "PEACE" Model, or Yugoslavian &am
by Kifeas » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:11 pm
MrH wrote:Czech/Slovak PEACE Model, or Yugoslavian CONFLICT Model?
Considering Turkey's long-and very ambitious EU membership campaign, with regards to a Cyprus settlement, I ONLY see either an Amicable Czech/Slovak Style "PEACE" Model, or the Yugoslavian "CONFLICT" Model being adopted as the most obvious Cyprus settlement.
Which road do you think we will take, and why? As, understandably, a Cyprus settlement based on a BBF plan is now obviously fading, real fast.
It's clear that the GCs are suffering from a "Reality" complex in their rejection of the former Annan Plan or even agreeing to a Loose Confederation based on Two-Founding Cypriot states due to their "Domination" Orthodox Church policy.
Perhaps the Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model will be our ultimate fate?
How uncompromising the Greek Cypriots are, it's a shame they are nothing like the Czechs!
“Be hayvan,” considering that soon RoC will start pumping oil and Turkey will see the boot of the EU, the only obvious solution model I see you will be left considering, will be the “Turkish /Kurdish make love” PEACE style, in which you TCs will accept to be registered as “ocean Greeks,” akin to “mountain Turks,” after the collapse of the “Green-line” wall, akin to the collapse of the Berlin wall in Ferdi Soyer’s “German style federation MODEL!”
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by MrH » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:19 pm
DT,
As usual, with all GCs, you have only commented on the "Model" scenario that suits the GCs. WHAT ABOUT THE Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model? Why pick on the Model that we "should" adopt and find no Current relevance as opposed to the model we are heading towards!
Judging by the many responses by GCs on this forum, and the GC Controlled ROC's lack of foresight, I truly believe that it's the Yugoslavian Model that is synonymous with the Cyprus problem - considering the Cyprus issue is one based on a Conflict and not really on two civilised peoples like the Czechs and Slovaks!
Let's face it DT, with the current atmosphere; frustration of the Turkish Cypriot Pro and For Camps (Talat and Eroglu) based on their individual ideals, I'm afraid that the Cyprus problem under Talat and Chris can only lead down either two roads:
1) That Talat and Chris, especially Christofias, both realise that a BBF is just not going to happen and take the BOLD STEPS required to formalise a Czech/Slovak amicable agreement (if they are men enough - clearly Not!),
or
2) Both fail to clinch any agreement what-so-ever (Expected!), Eroglu becomes the next PM of the TRNC, Talat resigns as President for failure to make any advancements on the Cyprus issue since his determined drive from his 2004 outcry, thus ultimately leading the island to COMPLETE Stalemate and the start of Inter-Communal Conflict at an unprecedented level - please do not dismiss such a scenario. You know clearly how much the TCs are frustrated at being isolated due to Greek Cypriot rejections, and together with a Global economic downturn and reliance on Turkey, I would be extremely surprised if the are forced GCs in ordering a complete closure to all Border communication.
It's obviously easy for you to try and Mock any of my suggestions DT, similarly if I choose to deliberately do it with your postings (but choose not to as I do not want to swoop so low!), but you must at least agree with the analysis that is coming from Greek/Greek Cypriot Economists and Investment Market Traders (From Bloomberg and Reuters) - which, mind you, is where the comments in this Post is from!
Face it, Cyprus is on its way to a serious collision course - Why? Because it's just been announced by many EU and Turkish officials that Turkey's EU membership bid is more or less an impossible task considering the many obstacles in its way. In this context, what possible chance does the Cyprus issue have of being resolved! - Thanks, you've proven Former TRNC President R.R.Denktas right!
If what is being said of Turkey's EU Bid is true - then I would kiss Northern Cyprus (as it stands in its entirety - all 37% of it) Goodbye!
Good luck,
Mr H
As usual, with all GCs, you have only commented on the "Model" scenario that suits the GCs. WHAT ABOUT THE Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model? Why pick on the Model that we "should" adopt and find no Current relevance as opposed to the model we are heading towards!
Judging by the many responses by GCs on this forum, and the GC Controlled ROC's lack of foresight, I truly believe that it's the Yugoslavian Model that is synonymous with the Cyprus problem - considering the Cyprus issue is one based on a Conflict and not really on two civilised peoples like the Czechs and Slovaks!
Let's face it DT, with the current atmosphere; frustration of the Turkish Cypriot Pro and For Camps (Talat and Eroglu) based on their individual ideals, I'm afraid that the Cyprus problem under Talat and Chris can only lead down either two roads:
1) That Talat and Chris, especially Christofias, both realise that a BBF is just not going to happen and take the BOLD STEPS required to formalise a Czech/Slovak amicable agreement (if they are men enough - clearly Not!),
or
2) Both fail to clinch any agreement what-so-ever (Expected!), Eroglu becomes the next PM of the TRNC, Talat resigns as President for failure to make any advancements on the Cyprus issue since his determined drive from his 2004 outcry, thus ultimately leading the island to COMPLETE Stalemate and the start of Inter-Communal Conflict at an unprecedented level - please do not dismiss such a scenario. You know clearly how much the TCs are frustrated at being isolated due to Greek Cypriot rejections, and together with a Global economic downturn and reliance on Turkey, I would be extremely surprised if the are forced GCs in ordering a complete closure to all Border communication.
It's obviously easy for you to try and Mock any of my suggestions DT, similarly if I choose to deliberately do it with your postings (but choose not to as I do not want to swoop so low!), but you must at least agree with the analysis that is coming from Greek/Greek Cypriot Economists and Investment Market Traders (From Bloomberg and Reuters) - which, mind you, is where the comments in this Post is from!
Face it, Cyprus is on its way to a serious collision course - Why? Because it's just been announced by many EU and Turkish officials that Turkey's EU membership bid is more or less an impossible task considering the many obstacles in its way. In this context, what possible chance does the Cyprus issue have of being resolved! - Thanks, you've proven Former TRNC President R.R.Denktas right!
If what is being said of Turkey's EU Bid is true - then I would kiss Northern Cyprus (as it stands in its entirety - all 37% of it) Goodbye!
Good luck,
Mr H
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by MrH » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:28 pm
Kifeas,
Be Esek! The oil situation will obviously be a pretext for a Cyprus Conflict!!! Is this not what I'm actually getting at!
What! Do you really believe that by having a small section used by a U.S based company it will prevent such a conflict? In essence, it'll probably instigate a conflict if the production of oil expands! (Thus, the U.S will want ALL of the pockets!).
Think about it!
Be hayvan
Be Esek! The oil situation will obviously be a pretext for a Cyprus Conflict!!! Is this not what I'm actually getting at!
What! Do you really believe that by having a small section used by a U.S based company it will prevent such a conflict? In essence, it'll probably instigate a conflict if the production of oil expands! (Thus, the U.S will want ALL of the pockets!).
Think about it!
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Re: Czech/Slovak "PEACE" Model, or Yugoslavian &qu
by utu » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:20 pm
MrH wrote:Czech/Slovak PEACE Model, or Yugoslavian CONFLICT Model?
Considering Turkey's long-and very ambitious EU membership campaign, with regards to a Cyprus settlement, I ONLY see either an Amicable Czech/Slovak Style "PEACE" Model, or the Yugoslavian "CONFLICT" Model being adopted as the most obvious Cyprus settlement.
Which road do you think we will take, and why? As, understandably, a Cyprus settlement based on a BBF plan is now obviously fading, real fast.
It's clear that the GCs are suffering from a "Reality" complex in their rejection of the former Annan Plan or even agreeing to a Loose Confederation based on Two-Founding Cypriot states due to their "Domination" Orthodox Church policy.
Perhaps the Yugoslavian "Conflict" Model will be our ultimate fate?
How uncompromising the Greek Cypriots are, it's a shame they are nothing like the Czechs!
And how 'compromising' are the Turks? I'm not talking about the Turkish Cypriots, but the government in Ankara? Their military and economic stranglehold on the northern administration has made an utter mockery of the north's claims to independence. Let's be real here: the north is not governed by it's parliament - however democratically it is elected - but by the Turkish 'Embassy' next door. That means that the northern administration is only going to do what Ankara tells them to do...
The north will end up like Hatay if it's UDI is recognized internationally. Thanks to Turkish dominance, true independence is out of the question... Somaliland has it better than TRNC on that basis.
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