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[zan]

A 30/70 split, straight down the middle!

Even die-hard partitionists can laugh at his maths gem…

Do you have trouble getting past points, when reading, that bring out the child in you...You do.....Then take two of these three times a dayUnless you are GR where a bigger dose is required

That's more like it Zanny, stick to what you do best and forget the CyProb...

You wished darlin.......3 years and I'm still standing....Yeh yeh yeh!!!

[MrH]

Sorry - let me make it practically clear:

60% = Greek Cypriot Controlled Republic of Cyprus
37% = Turkish Cypriot Controlled Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
3% = British Sovereign Base area

[Kifeas]

In essence, the ECHR can not demand any compensation from Turkey regarding Cyprus as the island of Cyprus is locked under a United Nations Peace Process in view of reaching a "Comprehensive" settlement and not one that is in part with Court decisions made settled by the ECHR and the other half within a Cyprus Blue print plan, and also that Turkey is not a EU member state! In the Galis Set of Ideas for instance as well as the former Annan Plan, the state borders were clearly defined, the land handed back and any (if any) compensation issue were also clearly defined (obviously, NOT!). If your answer is "No", then obviously a UN Blue Print can NEVER (in a million years) resolve this Compensation issue, leaving only a clear and decisive partition! A 30/70 split, straight down the middle!

All issues of compensation or return are all PART of "The" Comprehensive Settlement of the Cyprus problem, thus it should only be accounted for as part of the overall UN Blue Print agreement - Unless Partition is agreed of course!

This is why an agreement to the Cyprus problem based on a Federal structure will never materialise - it's too complex, involves too much transfer of monies and cases of compensation for both communities/peoples, and above all, is a very highly disputed matter.

Good effort! Now, can you also translate the above gem in english, so that we also get to know what is in it?

[Get Real!]

Sorry - let me make it practically clear:

60% = Greek Cypriot Controlled Republic of Cyprus
37% = Turkish Cypriot Controlled Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
3% = British Sovereign Base area

Even if the RoC was to give you territory on a plate, you would still not survive out of your sheer stupidity and incompetence. That’s how confident I feel it will never happen…

Unkie GR will now give you a valuable piece of advice free of charge, to ready yourself and your family for a future on Cyprus... learn Greek.

[Oracle]

Sorry - let me make it practically clear:

60% = Greek Cypriot Controlled Republic of Cyprus
37% = Turkish Cypriot Controlled Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
3% = British Sovereign Base area

Even if the RoC was to give you territory on a plate, you would still not survive out of your sheer stupidity and incompetence. That’s how confident I feel it will never happen…

Unkie GR will now give you a valuable piece of advice free of charge, to ready yourself and your family for a future on Cyprus... learn Greek.

Goody!

Me happy again!

[MrH]

Get Real:

Learn Greek

I already know how to speak Greek (not write it mind you, but speaking is easy!) thank you very much.

My Father taught me as I was growing up - Famagusta and all that. You see GR, in the old days the Turks learnt how to speak very good Greek, but the Greeks for some strange mental reason just couldn't grasp the superior Turkish language - and obviously still can't. I guess unification was never meant to be - Just Domination.

My father had to learn Greek and pretend he was Greek in order to remain in his job! Otherwise, as a Turk - well, I guess we would have starved!!! The harsh reality of the so-called "Good old days" in Cyprus.

But that's history - or is it?

Endaksi?

[Get Real!]

Get Real:

Learn Greek

I already know how to speak Greek (not write it mind you, but speaking is easy!) thank you very much.

My Father taught me as I was growing up - Famagusta and all that. You see GR, in the old days the Turks learnt how to speak very good Greek, but the Greeks for some strange mental reason just couldn't grasp the superior Turkish language - and obviously still can't. I guess unification was never meant to be - Just Domination.

My father had to learn Greek and pretend he was Greek in order to remain in his job! Otherwise, as a Turk - well, I guess we would have starved!!! The harsh reality of the so-called "Good old days" in Cyprus.

But that's history - or is it?

Endaksi?

Orea, dode bode enna mathis na graphis?

[Viewpoint]

An obvious and clear understanding that it is the GCs who do not want a solution and will not compromise (eg rejection of the AP) to accomadate the TCs, coupled with a return of land and a right to return and compensation as incentives for GCs.

The only thing you are proposing as an incentive for the GC's, is to give then a little bit of their land back, allow some GC's to return to some of their properties, which in time, we can also get rid of them one way or another and force buy the properties from the remaining GC's who will be denied returning back to the north and in return for sake of "peace", you want the GC's to walk away from the land they have been living long before we came so that we can established another country in the north, become a EU member, allow all Turks from Turkey to receive duel citizenship with the "trnc" since Turkey will be vetoed by the RoC on her EU dreams, and all the while allowing Turkey to manipulate the EU through the "trnc" all the while, all Turks with dual citizenship with the EU member "trnc" will then be able to flood the South in time.

Now VP, if this is your understanding on what compromise means, then you will always see the GC's as not wanting to compromise for the sake of "peace". The fact that Annan Plan 2004 would have brought about all the things I have described above, is the reason you keep bringing it up, not as a chance lost for "peace", but rather, a chance lost for legal Partition. No wonder Talat would have liked to see the AP 2004 back as the basis for today's negotiations, and since it is not back, we can now see Talat making bold demands in the negotiations for a Partition, just like what was described in the AP 2004, but in a more subtle and disguised manner.

We can no longer be shut out and the last 4 years have for us shown a lot of progress with regards to an easing of isolation, this with the help of the intrangient GC stance and no future solution will fuel the every increasing ideology that TCs have done nothing wrong why are they being punished in 2008 2009 2010 etc....we are in for the long haul what ever it takes.

You want to concentrate on tidbits of "hand-outs" from the EU or others as a means to interpret of the isolation's coming down, then I'm afraid you are missing the BIG picture on what makes a country a COUNTRY. Yes I know that Rome was not built in a day, but lets face the truth shall we. First it was all the UN resolutions against Turkey and the establishment of the "trnc" which gave it's full backing to the RoC, and if that wasn't bad enough, since 2004, we have all the EU demands to meet if the "trnc" or Turkey are ever to become an EU members. In my view, the offers you have suggested to give the GC's is something that does not belong to you in the first place, stands the reason why the GC's are not accepting it. Rather obvious, wouldn't you say VP.? BBF as a True Federation is on the table and if we are talking about reunification, then we should accept it, but if it's a Partition that we are after, then we are wasting every one's time by going through the motion of the so called "peace talks". Talat all but stated that he wants a Partition with the demands that he is making. My guess is, those demands will remain as such and will not be granted.

Oh well, there is always the next round of so called "peace talks" in the future to look forward to since this one will just die on the vine, just like the Annan Plan 2004. Only this time, the TC's will be seen the intransigents and not the GC's, since the talks are based on UN agreements on BBF as in Federation and not as in Confederation, which is what Talat and Turkey wants. Then again, Christmas is fast approaching and that Santa may bring the TC's what they want. Be sure to keep your chimney clean so that Santa will be able to slide down to deliver your "BBC" Confederation present.!

Realities mould the future and TCs will never agree to a union where we are swept aside for GCs to turn the whole island into a GC state run by GCs with us reduced to minority status with no community rights which guarantee we have an effective say in our own future and not left to the mercy of GCs.

You are right in the respect that Rome was not built in a day but without a solution the only alternative we have is to work slowly towards an understanding that TCs do not deserve the treatment we are receiving in this day and age and that European values should not allow for us to be isolated in this manner. Santa is fictitious but we are real and will continue to be the thorn in the side of the GCs until they understand that they can no longer monopolies our right to be heard and understood as indigenous people of this island.

May I also give a piece of information about the so called dead AP, do you know that it is being used as a basis for the current talks? Lawyer friends taking part in the negotiations confirmed this fact to me, so dismissing it the way you do is very comical.

[Kikapu]

May I also give a piece of information about the so called dead AP, do you know that it is being used as a basis for the current talks? Lawyer friends taking part in the negotiations confirmed this fact to me, so dismissing it the way you do is very comical.

Annan Plan 2004 was over 9,000 pages long VP. Nobody ever said that all 9,000+ pages were bad. However, 9,000+ pages of the AP 2004 as a total package was rejected that would have transformed a Unitary state of the RoC into a Confederacy states or worse, with vilotions of Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights. Once corrections are made to those violations to protect all Cypriots in a True Federation as in the BBF, then you can call the next package "Annan Plan" once again if it makes you feel better.

Did you know, that percentage wise, if you combined all Cypriots vote on the AP 2004, approximately 55% Cypriots said NO to the AP 2004 versus 45% who said YES. That is a landslide with 10% more saying NO to the AP 2004. Let the next "AP" be a True Federation and True Democracy, and you will see those numbers change to 55% YES and 45% NO. Isn't that what we want in peace, to have the majority of Cypriots say YES to any peace plan and not just the minority.

[zan]

May I also give a piece of information about the so called dead AP, do you know that it is being used as a basis for the current talks? Lawyer friends taking part in the negotiations confirmed this fact to me, so dismissing it the way you do is very comical.

Annan Plan 2004 was over 9,000 pages long VP. Nobody ever said that all 9,000+ pages were bad. However, 9,000+ pages of the AP 2004 as a total package was rejected that would have transformed a Unitary state of the RoC into a Confederacy states or worse, with vilotions of Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights. Once corrections are made to those violations to protect all Cypriots in a True Federation as in the BBF, then you can call the next package "Annan Plan" once again if it makes you feel better.

Did you know, that percentage wise, if you combined all Cypriots vote on the AP 2004, approximately 55% Cypriots said NO to the AP 2004 versus 45% who said YES. That is a landslide with 10% more saying NO to the AP 2004. Let the next "AP" be a True Federation and True Democracy, and you will see those numbers change to 55% YES and 45% NO. Isn't that what we want in peace, to have the majority of Cypriots say YES to any peace plan and not just the minority.

How many times have you got to be told...The AP was 256 or so pages long with 9000 pages of byelaws........True democracy would have been Tpap negotiating with intent to solve rather than sabotage.