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[Viewpoint]

Fair point Viewpoint but then what I would look for in a settlement is the re-assurance that the future state was democratic and could be effectively governed fairly and equitably. I don't think that any particular group TCs, GCs or anyone else are inherently incapable of ruling fairly and equitably : it depends on how the institutions are set up and organised.

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now but I am not to hopeful as GC have everything they want a GC state run by GCs for GCs all that they are really missing is land, thats what they are really after not a union with TCs, they will force and treat you like a minority and they will ensure you never forget it or feel part of anything. We must be very cautious not to expose ourselves to GCs and there be left at their mercy to do with as they wish all in the name of democracy.

[Get Real!]

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now...

That's news to me!

[Viewpoint]

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now...

That's news to me!

Safeguards to ensure you do never try to brush us aside and not abuse your numerical advantage.

[Get Real!]

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now...

That's news to me!

Safeguards to ensure you do never try to brush us aside and not abuse your numerical advantage.

Even if you were to be foolishly granted special undemocratic rules, the power of money would win over I'd say within 3-5 years, so there's NOTHING that can save you from the majority's dominance. It is therefore elementary to surmise that the trick to overcoming the “terrible” majority is to cease being a minority!

[Viewpoint]

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now...

That's news to me!

Safeguards to ensure you do never try to brush us aside and not abuse your numerical advantage.

Even if you were to be foolishly granted special undemocratic rules, the power of money would win over I'd say within 3-5 years, so there's NOTHING that can save you from the majority's dominance. It is therefore elementary to surmise that the trick to overcoming the “terrible” majority is to cease being a minority!

Not under a BBF as GCs will never settle and live under a TC administration think we are pretty safe there.

[humanist]

so my friend can you answer this question for me, are the TC's in the UK living as members of a minority group? If the answer is yes could you please tell me how they are disadvantaged? and how do you think they willbe disadvantaged in a UNited Cyprus?

[Kikapu]

Fair point Viewpoint but then what I would look for in a settlement is the re-assurance that the future state was democratic and could be effectively governed fairly and equitably. I don't think that any particular group TCs, GCs or anyone else are inherently incapable of ruling fairly and equitably : it depends on how the institutions are set up and organised.

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now but I am not to hopeful as GC have everything they want a GC state run by GCs for GCs all that they are really missing is land, thats what they are really after not a union with TCs, they will force and treat you like a minority and they will ensure you never forget it or feel part of anything. We must be very cautious not to expose ourselves to GCs and there be left at their mercy to do with as they wish all in the name of democracy.

Did you get a chance to read "Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan" yet, VP. If not, here it is.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[Viewpoint]

so my friend can you answer this question for me, are the TC's in the UK living as members of a minority group? If the answer is yes could you please tell me how they are disadvantaged? and how do you think they willbe disadvantaged in a UNited Cyprus?

To try and get you to understand I am going to have to ask you a question that will help you understand the difference, who is charge and administers democraacy and human rights? The is a big difference in letting someone you do not trust dominate control and manipulate your future.

[Viewpoint]

Fair point Viewpoint but then what I would look for in a settlement is the re-assurance that the future state was democratic and could be effectively governed fairly and equitably. I don't think that any particular group TCs, GCs or anyone else are inherently incapable of ruling fairly and equitably : it depends on how the institutions are set up and organised.

Thats what our President is negotiating for right now but I am not to hopeful as GC have everything they want a GC state run by GCs for GCs all that they are really missing is land, thats what they are really after not a union with TCs, they will force and treat you like a minority and they will ensure you never forget it or feel part of anything. We must be very cautious not to expose ourselves to GCs and there be left at their mercy to do with as they wish all in the name of democracy.

Did you get a chance to read "Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan" yet, VP. If not, here it is.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Yes I have Kikapu and responded with a few questions of the flaws of your peoposals I have a few ideas about the return of land and voting system to elect reps in both houses but Id like to get your response to my questions first as a TC.

[humanist]

VP

To try and get you to understand I am going to have to ask you a question that will help you understand the difference, who is charge and administers democraacy and human rights? The is a big difference in letting someone you do not trust dominate control and manipulate your future.

Mate you do have a point there ...... My response is simple I don't know. What I do know is that for the past 34 years neither your community has been satisfied or has benefited from the status quo neither has mine and Turkey can no longer picky back you. A solution has to be found and partition is not it.

My other point is that like it or not Cyprus is no longer running itself. The EU has a part in it and rights of all human beings in European nations are safeguarded by the EU constitution.