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[BirKibrisli]

Yours is a voice of sanity,dear miltiades...
I have no intension of continuing this discussion with GR! and
Piratis...We will just have to agree that we see things totally differently...
They want me to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the GCs 450 years ago,and all through till 1878, when I was not even a speck of dust flying in my ancestors' universe....But they refuse to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the TCs during 1963-74,which was in my living memory...During which my family lost eveything and had to become refugees and I had to go into exile.....Fine,great...They can carry on showing the finger and see where it will get us...

We will continue to be the voice of empathy,compassion and sanity....
There is too much at stake...We cannot let blame-assigners and war -mongers run riot...

[Piratis]

Bir, your attack who started the inter communal conflict in 1958 is not within your memory. Your atrocities against us during the inter communal conflict is not in your memory? The Turkish invasion of 1974 is not within your memory. The occupation of our island by Turkey that continues until today is not within your memory?

And if all that matters is ones living memory, then within my living memory all that happened is the illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of my homeland. I wasn't born when those other things happened so (according to your logic) those other things do not matter.

And I tell you this Bir: I forgive you. I don't want any collective punishment of TCs because of what some previous generations did. I am even willing to forgive those who today support illegalities and crimes against us if they finally understand how wrong they are and they stop doing it.

So Bir, can you also be forgiving like the Greek Cypriots are now, and have been in the past, so we can finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Or are you going to continue trying to blame the GCs for events of the past, looking for excuses for yet more crimes and illegalities against us?

It is amazing how the GCs managed to forgive 300+ years of oppression against them and we lived peacefully along each other (until you attacked us again in 1958), and now again the GCs are the ones who show will for forgiveness, while the only thing you care about is how to distort the past in order to blame the GCs and use that as an excuse to continue violating our rights!!!

[denizaksulu]

Yours is a voice of sanity,dear miltiades...
I have no intension of continuing this discussion with GR! and
Piratis...We will just have to agree that we see things totally differently...
They want me to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the GCs 450 years ago,and all through till 1878, when I was not even a speck of dust flying in my ancestors' universe....But they refuse to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the TCs during 1963-74,which was in my living memory...During which my family lost eveything and had to become refugees and I had to go into exile.....Fine,great...They can carry on showing the finger and see where it will get us...

We will continue to be the voice of empathy,compassion and sanity....
There is too much at stake...We cannot let blame-assigners and war -mongers run riot...

Dont let lost souls like Piratis get to you yegen. His only function here is to play his own trumpet. I am too polite to tell him where to stick it.

[BirKibrisli]

Yours is a voice of sanity,dear miltiades...
I have no intension of continuing this discussion with GR! and
Piratis...We will just have to agree that we see things totally differently...
They want me to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the GCs 450 years ago,and all through till 1878, when I was not even a speck of dust flying in my ancestors' universe....But they refuse to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the TCs during 1963-74,which was in my living memory...During which my family lost eveything and had to become refugees and I had to go into exile.....Fine,great...They can carry on showing the finger and see where it will get us...

We will continue to be the voice of empathy,compassion and sanity....
There is too much at stake...We cannot let blame-assigners and war -mongers run riot...

Dont let lost souls like Piratis get to you yegen. His only function here is to play his own trumpet. I am too polite to tell him where to stick it.

The sad thing is,Deniz,I know that Piratis is a decent,intelligent person...
To be this one-sided,this blind about our common history,they must've done a really good propaganda job on him when young...Like they have done a really good propaganda job on certain TCs in this forum who can only see their own side of the story...I have written hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past showing empathy and compassion for the GCs....I said I understood their demand for Enosis given the circumstances...He has not once reciprocated...He has not once said "yes ,I agree this was a very thoughtless and insensitive act which has caused great heartache for the TCs"...Empathy and compassion need to be reciprocated or it burns out....Nobody in their right mind can think that this entire mess is the fault of one side only...Yet there are many people here,apparently intelligent and thoughtful, who refuse out of hand to see their role in the bloody conflict....I am at a loss to explain it...
Do you have any idea why ????

[lovernomore]

Bir, your attack who started the inter communal conflict in 1958 is not within your memory. Your atrocities against us during the inter communal conflict is not in your memory? The Turkish invasion of 1974 is not within your memory. The occupation of our island by Turkey that continues until today is not within your memory?

And if all that matters is ones living memory, then within my living memory all that happened is the illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of my homeland. I wasn't born when those other things happened so (according to your logic) those other things do not matter.

And I tell you this Bir: I forgive you. I don't want any collective punishment of TCs because of what some previous generations did. I am even willing to forgive those who today support illegalities and crimes against us if they finally understand how wrong they are and they stop doing it.

So Bir, can you also be forgiving like the Greek Cypriots are now, and have been in the past, so we can finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Or are you going to continue trying to blame the GCs for events of the past, looking for excuses for yet more crimes and illegalities against us?

It is amazing how the GCs managed to forgive 300+ years of oppression against them and we lived peacefully along each other (until you attacked us again in 1958), and now again the GCs are the ones who show will for forgiveness, while the only thing you care about is how to distort the past in order to blame the GCs and use that as an excuse to continue violating our rights!!!

Just shut up and goaway you stupid moron. you are lkie a stuk record, same shit, same shit, same shitsameshitsmaeshitsameshit. Same lies same shit same lies same shit same lies same shit every day.

If you dont like Cyprus as it is with Tcs as part then f*** off back to greece.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, your attack who started the inter communal conflict in 1958 is not within your memory. Your atrocities against us during the inter communal conflict is not in your memory? The Turkish invasion of 1974 is not within your memory. The occupation of our island by Turkey that continues until today is not within your memory?

And if all that matters is ones living memory, then within my living memory all that happened is the illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of my homeland. I wasn't born when those other things happened so (according to your logic) those other things do not matter.

And I tell you this Bir: I forgive you. I don't want any collective punishment of TCs because of what some previous generations did. I am even willing to forgive those who today support illegalities and crimes against us if they finally understand how wrong they are and they stop doing it.

So Bir, can you also be forgiving like the Greek Cypriots are now, and have been in the past, so we can finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Or are you going to continue trying to blame the GCs for events of the past, looking for excuses for yet more crimes and illegalities against us?

It is amazing how the GCs managed to forgive 300+ years of oppression against them and we lived peacefully along each other (until you attacked us again in 1958), and now again the GCs are the ones who show will for forgiveness, while the only thing you care about is how to distort the past in order to blame the GCs and use that as an excuse to continue violating our rights!!!

Just shut up and goaway you stupid moron. you are lkie a stuk record, same shit, same shit, same shitsameshitsmaeshitsameshit. Same lies same shit same lies same shit same lies same shit every day.

If you dont like Cyprus as it is with Tcs as part then f*** off back to greece.

No need to be this rude,lover...
Both communities have been deeply traumatised by our recent history....
Some people can only cope if they put the entire blame on the "other" side...They need to maintain a certain amount of bitternesss and hate,to give meaning to their lives...We have plenty on our side who are like this...We must be patient and understanding...

[zan]

Yours is a voice of sanity,dear miltiades...
I have no intension of continuing this discussion with GR! and
Piratis...We will just have to agree that we see things totally differently...
They want me to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the GCs 450 years ago,and all through till 1878, when I was not even a speck of dust flying in my ancestors' universe....But they refuse to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the TCs during 1963-74,which was in my living memory...During which my family lost eveything and had to become refugees and I had to go into exile.....Fine,great...They can carry on showing the finger and see where it will get us...

We will continue to be the voice of empathy,compassion and sanity....
There is too much at stake...We cannot let blame-assigners and war -mongers run riot...

Dont let lost souls like Piratis get to you yegen. His only function here is to play his own trumpet. I am too polite to tell him where to stick it.

The sad thing is,Deniz,I know that Piratis is a decent,intelligent person...
To be this one-sided,this blind about our common history,they must've done a really good propaganda job on him when young...Like they have done a really good propaganda job on certain TCs in this forum who can only see their own side of the story...I have written hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past showing empathy and compassion for the GCs....I said I understood their demand for Enosis given the circumstances...He has not once reciprocated...He has not once said "yes ,I agree this was a very thoughtless and insensitive act which has caused great heartache for the TCs"...Empathy and compassion need to be reciprocated or it burns out....Nobody in their right mind can think that this entire mess is the fault of one side only...Yet there are many people here,apparently intelligent and thoughtful, who refuse out of hand to see their role in the bloody conflict....I am at a loss to explain it...
Do you have any idea why ????

The TCs seem to all want the same thing but each has his/her own mind closed as to how to get it......The fact that the "RoC" is not what we want but our rights returned is unanimous apart from Kikapu...I think. The rest is a response to the OXI we keep getting.....Not to mention, the only options left to us.

I have to give it to the GCs though..They are much better at organising themselves and working through their differences.....We couldn't do that if our lives depended on it....As it does!!!!

[lovernomore]

Bir, your attack who started the inter communal conflict in 1958 is not within your memory. Your atrocities against us during the inter communal conflict is not in your memory? The Turkish invasion of 1974 is not within your memory. The occupation of our island by Turkey that continues until today is not within your memory?

And if all that matters is ones living memory, then within my living memory all that happened is the illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of my homeland. I wasn't born when those other things happened so (according to your logic) those other things do not matter.

And I tell you this Bir: I forgive you. I don't want any collective punishment of TCs because of what some previous generations did. I am even willing to forgive those who today support illegalities and crimes against us if they finally understand how wrong they are and they stop doing it.

So Bir, can you also be forgiving like the Greek Cypriots are now, and have been in the past, so we can finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Or are you going to continue trying to blame the GCs for events of the past, looking for excuses for yet more crimes and illegalities against us?

It is amazing how the GCs managed to forgive 300+ years of oppression against them and we lived peacefully along each other (until you attacked us again in 1958), and now again the GCs are the ones who show will for forgiveness, while the only thing you care about is how to distort the past in order to blame the GCs and use that as an excuse to continue violating our rights!!!

Just shut up and goaway you stupid moron. you are lkie a stuk record, same shit, same shit, same shitsameshitsmaeshitsameshit. Same lies same shit same lies same shit same lies same shit every day.

If you dont like Cyprus as it is with Tcs as part then f*** off back to greece.

No need to be this rude,lover...
Both communities have been deeply traumatised by our recent history....
Some people can only cope if they put the entire blame on the "other" side...They need to maintain a certain amount of bitternesss and hate,to give meaning to their lives...We have plenty on our side who are like this...We must be patient and understanding...

Bir, I admeir your kindness and emapthy you feel for our Gc brothers. But some of our Gc brothers are very blind to what we suffer. They are shameles.

Anyway you keep up good arguman.

[denizaksulu]

Yours is a voice of sanity,dear miltiades...
I have no intension of continuing this discussion with GR! and
Piratis...We will just have to agree that we see things totally differently...
They want me to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the GCs 450 years ago,and all through till 1878, when I was not even a speck of dust flying in my ancestors' universe....But they refuse to sympathise and empathise with what happened to the TCs during 1963-74,which was in my living memory...During which my family lost eveything and had to become refugees and I had to go into exile.....Fine,great...They can carry on showing the finger and see where it will get us...

We will continue to be the voice of empathy,compassion and sanity....
There is too much at stake...We cannot let blame-assigners and war -mongers run riot...

Dont let lost souls like Piratis get to you yegen. His only function here is to play his own trumpet. I am too polite to tell him where to stick it.

The sad thing is,Deniz,I know that Piratis is a decent,intelligent person...
To be this one-sided,this blind about our common history,they must've done a really good propaganda job on him when young...Like they have done a really good propaganda job on certain TCs in this forum who can only see their own side of the story...I have written hundreds and hundreds of posts in the past showing empathy and compassion for the GCs....I said I understood their demand for Enosis given the circumstances...He has not once reciprocated...He has not once said "yes ,I agree this was a very thoughtless and insensitive act which has caused great heartache for the TCs"...Empathy and compassion need to be reciprocated or it burns out....Nobody in their right mind can think that this entire mess is the fault of one side only...Yet there are many people here,apparently intelligent and thoughtful, who refuse out of hand to see their role in the bloody conflict....I am at a loss to explain it...
Do you have any idea why ????

If I answered you, I would tarnish all Cypriots with the same brush. I am sure there are those that do emphasise with us. His attitude is sadly , as you said, brainwashed at an early age. He is a 'special case' indeed; regardles of his 'alleged' intelligence. Just ignore him and hope he will buzz off like a disappointed mosquito.

[Piratis]

Bir, your attack who started the inter communal conflict in 1958 is not within your memory. Your atrocities against us during the inter communal conflict is not in your memory? The Turkish invasion of 1974 is not within your memory. The occupation of our island by Turkey that continues until today is not within your memory?

And if all that matters is ones living memory, then within my living memory all that happened is the illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of my homeland. I wasn't born when those other things happened so (according to your logic) those other things do not matter.

And I tell you this Bir: I forgive you. I don't want any collective punishment of TCs because of what some previous generations did. I am even willing to forgive those who today support illegalities and crimes against us if they finally understand how wrong they are and they stop doing it.

So Bir, can you also be forgiving like the Greek Cypriots are now, and have been in the past, so we can finally have peace, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots.

Or are you going to continue trying to blame the GCs for events of the past, looking for excuses for yet more crimes and illegalities against us?

It is amazing how the GCs managed to forgive 300+ years of oppression against them and we lived peacefully along each other (until you attacked us again in 1958), and now again the GCs are the ones who show will for forgiveness, while the only thing you care about is how to distort the past in order to blame the GCs and use that as an excuse to continue violating our rights!!!

Just shut up and goaway you stupid moron. you are lkie a stuk record, same shit, same shit, same shitsameshitsmaeshitsameshit. Same lies same shit same lies same shit same lies same shit every day.

If you dont like Cyprus as it is with Tcs as part then f*** off back to greece.

Yet another example of Turkish civilization.

No my friend, I accept your minority in Cyprus like I accept every other Cypriot citizen (although I doubt you are a Cypriot citizen, you are probably a Settler). What I do not accept is for TCs to gain Ottoman style privileges on our expense as if we are still living in the middle ages.