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[BirKibrisli]

Yes,they are concerned about the number of settlers and how that is impacting on the TC society and culture..But they still believe that without the Turkish soldiers their lives and the lives of their children would be at risk....So,what Viewpoint says is correct...Most TCs living in Cyprus now would rather assimilate into the Turkish society than risk their physical safety...

I love the sample of ONE couple that enabled you to arrive at your sweeping conclusion!

But anyway, even if the TCs have no idea about democracy and other things you mention there’s no need to panic because given enough time they can always learn. Where there’s a majority will there’s a way…

I have been hearing the same story from couple after couple recently,GR!
And I have been hearing the same story from my family (a very large family i might add) who live in the trnc...Time we all got our heads out of the sand...But in you,as in Piratis,I am talking to a wall...you guys will never accept what happened to the TCs during 1963-74....I was there for most of it,I lived through it...So don't ask me for any links.

And without understanding of that crucial period you will keep insisting that the TCs just want "economic gain on GC losses"....And you will keep being totally off the mark....

What difference does it make WHO accepts what happened to the TCs during 1963-74? Does it justify Turkey’s illegalities? I don’t think so, and besides if it was so bad why didn’t Turkey take them AWAY from such a “hellish” place?

Keep your head in the sand,GR!...Just keep it there...you are only helping Piratis to make the Partition official....
Don't blame me one day... But I promise not to say "I told you so!"

[Get Real!]

Yes,they are concerned about the number of settlers and how that is impacting on the TC society and culture..But they still believe that without the Turkish soldiers their lives and the lives of their children would be at risk....So,what Viewpoint says is correct...Most TCs living in Cyprus now would rather assimilate into the Turkish society than risk their physical safety...

I love the sample of ONE couple that enabled you to arrive at your sweeping conclusion!

But anyway, even if the TCs have no idea about democracy and other things you mention there’s no need to panic because given enough time they can always learn. Where there’s a majority will there’s a way…

I have been hearing the same story from couple after couple recently,GR!
And I have been hearing the same story from my family (a very large family i might add) who live in the trnc...Time we all got our heads out of the sand...But in you,as in Piratis,I am talking to a wall...you guys will never accept what happened to the TCs during 1963-74....I was there for most of it,I lived through it...So don't ask me for any links.

And without understanding of that crucial period you will keep insisting that the TCs just want "economic gain on GC losses"....And you will keep being totally off the mark....

What difference does it make WHO accepts what happened to the TCs during 1963-74? Does it justify Turkey’s illegalities? I don’t think so, and besides if it was so bad why didn’t Turkey take them AWAY from such a “hellish” place?

Keep your head in the sand,GR!...Just keep it there...you are only helping Piratis to make the Partition official....
Don't blame me one day... But I promise not to say "I told you so!"

Right, so you basically want acknowledgement of alleged “TC hardships” over an 11 year period despite your people’s atrocities against the GCs that spanned for 400 odd years!

Go buy yourself a calculator and come back and see me when you've figured it out…

[Murataga]

Yes,they are concerned about the number of settlers and how that is impacting on the TC society and culture..But they still believe that without the Turkish soldiers their lives and the lives of their children would be at risk....So,what Viewpoint says is correct...Most TCs living in Cyprus now would rather assimilate into the Turkish society than risk their physical safety...

I love the sample of ONE couple that enabled you to arrive at your sweeping conclusion!

But anyway, even if the TCs have no idea about democracy and other things you mention there’s no need to panic because given enough time they can always learn. Where there’s a majority will there’s a way…

I have been hearing the same story from couple after couple recently,GR!
And I have been hearing the same story from my family (a very large family i might add) who live in the trnc...Time we all got our heads out of the sand...But in you,as in Piratis,I am talking to a wall...you guys will never accept what happened to the TCs during 1963-74....I was there for most of it,I lived through it...So don't ask me for any links.

And without understanding of that crucial period you will keep insisting that the TCs just want "economic gain on GC losses"....And you will keep being totally off the mark....

What difference does it make WHO accepts what happened to the TCs during 1963-74? Does it justify Turkey’s illegalities? I don’t think so, and besides if it was so bad why didn’t Turkey take them AWAY from such a “hellish” place?

Keep your head in the sand,GR!...Just keep it there...you are only helping Piratis to make the Partition official....
Don't blame me one day... But I promise not to say "I told you so!"

Right, so you basically want acknowledgement of alleged “TC hardships” over an 11 year period despite your people’s atrocities against the GCs that spanned for 400 odd years!

Go buy yourself a calculator and come back and see me when you've figured it out…

'What attrocities?' is the first one that comes to mind but let`s put that aside and ask a more interesting one: Even if there were "attrocities" as you claim, how could it be TCs` imposition when they had nothing to do with by who and how the Empire was governed/ruled? On the other hand we were attacked by the GC people in an effort organized and orchestrated by their elected officials. Oh let`s not forget the regiments of Greek troops that those elected officials invited.

[BirKibrisli]

Yes,they are concerned about the number of settlers and how that is impacting on the TC society and culture..But they still believe that without the Turkish soldiers their lives and the lives of their children would be at risk....So,what Viewpoint says is correct...Most TCs living in Cyprus now would rather assimilate into the Turkish society than risk their physical safety...

I love the sample of ONE couple that enabled you to arrive at your sweeping conclusion!

But anyway, even if the TCs have no idea about democracy and other things you mention there’s no need to panic because given enough time they can always learn. Where there’s a majority will there’s a way…

I have been hearing the same story from couple after couple recently,GR!
And I have been hearing the same story from my family (a very large family i might add) who live in the trnc...Time we all got our heads out of the sand...But in you,as in Piratis,I am talking to a wall...you guys will never accept what happened to the TCs during 1963-74....I was there for most of it,I lived through it...So don't ask me for any links.

And without understanding of that crucial period you will keep insisting that the TCs just want "economic gain on GC losses"....And you will keep being totally off the mark....

What difference does it make WHO accepts what happened to the TCs during 1963-74? Does it justify Turkey’s illegalities? I don’t think so, and besides if it was so bad why didn’t Turkey take them AWAY from such a “hellish” place?

Keep your head in the sand,GR!...Just keep it there...you are only helping Piratis to make the Partition official....
Don't blame me one day... But I promise not to say "I told you so!"

Right, so you basically want acknowledgement of alleged “TC hardships” over an 11 year period despite your people’s atrocities against the GCs that spanned for 400 odd years!

Go buy yourself a calculator and come back and see me when you've figured it out…

You have started to sound just like Piratis...
It is all about who did what to who, and who came out the worse,is it????
No wonder I am getting the feeling that you guys are simply after revenge...You want to take revenge on the TCs today for what the Ottoman empire did over 400 years ago...Next you will be saying we only killed so many hundreds of you while Turkey killed thousands... There were only 50,000 TC refugees while there were 200,000 GCs....Right...That proves that no TC has really suffered because the sum total is not zero....My family did not lose eveything in the South...I chose to leave my country and family and friends to come to Australia because I was greedy for more economic gain... Got it...So you have not suffered enough,you are saying.Just wait till we get you on your own...I am starting to see Viewpoint and Zan's opinions more and more spot on each passing day...Unfortunately

[humanist]

Birk, you may have a point there, there could be some ellement of deep seeded hatred, that is important for president Christifias and Mr Talat to allow for more intercultural events. The grants can come from the EU as part of the cultural and arts fund the EU has set aside. urely it will be in its best interest to bring its people closer. Therefore not only assisting culturally, financially but possibly politically soothing a cancer that has plagued our Island for years.

[Piratis]

It is all about who did what to who, and who came out the worse,is it????
No wonder I am getting the feeling that you guys are simply after revenge...

Here is how is goes Bir:

We say: We are living in the 21st century. We are an EU country. Is time to stop the human rights violations, the crimes and the ethnic cleansing, and finally have a free democratic Cyprus where all Cypriot people will be equal and can have the 100% of their human and democratic rights (and as we already agreed, this includes the right for each one of us to identify as we wish)

You say: NO. Because of what happened in the past we do not trust you and this means we will continue to occupy your lands and violate your human and democratic rights.

We say: The pot is calling the kettle black. In the past you are the ones who initiated all the wars and conflicts and you have caused much more suffering to us, than we have caused to you. So how can the past be an excuse for you to commit yet more crimes against us?

So you are the ones who go back in the past looking for excuses to deny to us yet again our democratic and human rights. We only respond to your lame excuses about the past, but unlike you we still do not try to use the past as an excuse to claim that your lands should be stolen or your rights violated.

It is crystal clear that the ones who are seeking revenge by trying to use the past as an excuse are non else than you.

[Get Real!]

Right, so to sum this up…

1. Murataga is not aware of any atrocities committed by his people against GCs!

2. BirKibrisli thinks that his people’s atrocities against GCs were committed only 400 years ago (when they first landed?) but nothing else after that!

3. And finally, Murataga & BirKibrisli seriously believe they can distance themselves from their ancestors and entire past thereby washing their hands totally clean!

Ok, in turn and on behalf of the Greek Cypriot community I’d now like to express our feelings for the period 1963-74 and offer this token of sympathy and understanding to all the TC people…



bye-bye!

[Nikitas]

OK, so the TCs do not want to live in a GC state as a minority. And the GCs do not want to live in the shadow of Turkey. These are the negatives that the BBF compromise is supposed to solve, but every day there are indications that the TC side, unfettered by any GC threat, keeps upping the ante in the negotiations insisting on keeping the Turkish threat alive and on the island permanently.

We must not forget that there are sensitivities on BOTH sides. The GCs effectively buried Enosis back in the 1960s, when are the TCs going to bury Taksim?

[Piratis]

BirKibrisli thinks that his people’s atrocities against GCs were committed only 400 years ago (when they first landed?) but nothing else after that!

That is my favorite one! The fact is that the Ottoman rule ended in 1878 and then merely 80 years after than in 1958, the attacked us again and every since they continue to collaborate with foreigners to violate our human and democratic rights.

So basically since the day they set their foot on our island, only for 80 years they didn't violate our rights and they didn't have more rights on our expense. From 1571 until 1878 we were second category citizens, paying double the taxes than they did and being treated like shit, and then merely 80 years after that they again collaborated with foreigners in order to again deny to us our freedom and rights, and they got for their 18% minority, things like 30% goverment positions and other unfair gains on our expense. And then in 1974, yet another Turkish invasion taking from us the 36% of our land. And today they are looking for lame excuses to continue with their illegalities and crimes against us!!

And then they come to say that what they did against us just happened 400 years ago

Even more ironic, is that during that tiny amount of time, those 80 years, which they didn't violate our rights and didn't have gains on our expense, we had already fully forgave them and we were living together in peace (until they decided to attack again in 1958). And then they come here to accuse us of how "revengeful" we are!!

Despite the vast amounts of suffering they have caused to us, and we still do not ask for any revenge. We are ready to forgive them again as long as they finally allow democracy and human rights to be applied in our island so every Cypriot including them can have the 100% of his human and democratic rights.

On the contrary, they want to continue violating our rights by trying to distort the events of a mere decade and present us as the aggressors, when even that conflict was in fact started by them in 1958 and we merely responded trying to protect our rights which the Turks and British and their puppets in Cyprus (TCs) were trying to take away from us again.

[miltiades]

We can not alter Historical events that occurred some 400 or so years ago anymore than we can change the history of the last 50 or so years . Living and allowing our emotions to be nurtured and dictated by events that occurred long before the majority of Cypriots were born , in the case of the last 50 years , is not only totaly futile and damaging to the new generation of Cypriots coming up , such as the school children that are participating in today's events in Nicosia , but may I say it is also a human tragedy . Consideration has to be applied to the future Cypriots , do we want them to be under the threat of an eruption of hostilities , do we want them to be constantly on their guard fearing for them selves and their families , do we want to see Cyprus turned into an inferno of violence ?
Those on the forum who are so obsessed with who did what in the past ought to start thinking of what can we DO NOW and in the future . What safety nets can we adopt to prevent further conflict amongst our people. Turkey retaing control over Cyprus is not a safety net but a bomb waiting to explode , the majority of Cypriots do not consider Turkey to have any right on Cyprus and an increasing number of T/Cs are reacting to the threat that their existense on the island as Turkish Cypriots is under attack. VP , but Zan in particular , are determined to be the first to write the epitaph of the T/C . They will not suceed because an ever increasing number of T/Cs are voicing their objection to their perilous existense on the island. What they need is drastic action by the Internationaly recognized RoC , in conveying to them the commitment of the Republic to be independent of Greece and conciliatory towards their citizens .