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[iceman]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

VP
You are not educated enough on the subject to lecture me on Cyprus history.
I know more than you will ever know.

If you are so wise then why not share it with us so we can understand why the TC population do not trust GCs and always refer back to the problems and fears they experienced at the hands of the majority in 1963 and why they do not want unfication GC style, what makes them all wrong and you right?

Why do you only think it's the Turkish community not trusting GC community?
Have you ever asked yourself if they trust TC's and the reason they don't?
Thanks to Eoka & TMT too much blood has been shed from both communities to create this mistrust.
GC's wanted Enosis,TC's wanted Taksim and what ever was necessary to achieve their goal had to be done.
Including killing their own to blame the other.

Let's just say we are not as innocent as you have been made to believe VP...

[zan]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

VP
You are not educated enough on the subject to lecture me on Cyprus history.
I know more than you will ever know.

If you are so wise then why not share it with us so we can understand why the TC population do not trust GCs and always refer back to the problems and fears they experienced at the hands of the majority in 1963 and why they do not want unfication GC style, what makes them all wrong and you right?

Why do you only think it's the Turkish community not trusting GC community?
Have you ever asked yourself if they trust TC's and the reason they don't?
Thanks to Eoka & TMT too much blood has been shed from both communities to create this mistrust.
GC's wanted Enosis,TC's wanted Taksim and what ever was necessary to achieve their goal had to be done.
Including killing their own to blame the other.

Let's just say we are not as innocent as you have been made to believe VP...

So where is the middle ground?

[utu]

Utu, the 1983 UDI is illegal and nullified in the first place, with or without Turkey's domination and control! Stop wasting your time with nonsense, giving the impression that had Turkey not being dominating the TC community affairs; the TCs may have had a better thesis! The TC community has no such a right to an exclusive and /or separate self-determination, because it does not constitute a people in the sense in which the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refer to!

I'm not debating that issue, Kifeas. I agree that the UDI is not ligitimate. In any case, I was referring to my college thesis on Cyprus. The UDI is not only illegal, it had been underminded from the start by Ankara's politics. some folk up north honestly think they have an independent state, but it is not... not by any means! Somaliland has economic independence, without which there is no real independence. As the north of Cyprus has no economic independence.... well, need I say more?

[Get Real!]

A couple of questions for Utu…

1. Doesn’t it strike you that Turkey has NEVER suggested all these decades a separate TC state to anyone?

2. Given that around 40% of TCs in the “TRNC” are “government employees” twiddling their thumbs all day waiting for the 500 million p/a to come from Turkey so they can go home with a salary each month, how do you actually think an independent TC state will survive when Turkey turns the tap off?

[utu]

A couple of questions for Utu…

1. Doesn’t it strike you that Turkey has NEVER suggested all these decades a separate TC state to anyone?

2. Given that around 40% of TCs in the “TRNC” are “government employees” twiddling their thumbs all day waiting for the 500 million p/a to come from Turkey so they can go home with a salary each month, how do you actually think an independent TC state will survive when Turkey turns the tap off?

They imply their acceptance of the UDI by recognizing the breakaway state and exchanging 'ambassadors', but the Turkish 'ambassador' to north Nicosia is in effect the Colonial Governor. It's a crude facade of recognition while maintaining control.

For your second question, if Turkey turns off the money to the north, then things will - not maybe - go bad very soon. Economic dependency on Turkey is the north's Achilles Heel...

[humanist]

My question to all of you is ......... who will pick up the mess once Turkey has turned the tap off? hmmmmmmmm .... the RoC perhaps? As you would have read the article I posted earlier this week Turkey has turned the tap off cause the holding tank is running dry for the 70 od million ppl in Turkey itself.

[zan]

A couple of questions for Utu…

1. Doesn’t it strike you that Turkey has NEVER suggested all these decades a separate TC state to anyone?

2. Given that around 40% of TCs in the “TRNC” are “government employees” twiddling their thumbs all day waiting for the 500 million p/a to come from Turkey so they can go home with a salary each month, how do you actually think an independent TC state will survive when Turkey turns the tap off?

They imply their acceptance of the UDI by recognizing the breakaway state and exchanging 'ambassadors', but the Turkish 'ambassador' to north Nicosia is in effect the Colonial Governor. It's a crude facade of recognition while maintaining control.

For your second question, if Turkey turns off the money to the north, then things will - not maybe - go bad very soon. Economic dependency on Turkey is the north's Achilles Heel...

You accept that without Turkey, we will be starved out and then wonder at why we are loyal to them? Even if we all saw them as the enemy, why would we turn them away? Lets make some sense here!

[utu]

A couple of questions for Utu…

1. Doesn’t it strike you that Turkey has NEVER suggested all these decades a separate TC state to anyone?

2. Given that around 40% of TCs in the “TRNC” are “government employees” twiddling their thumbs all day waiting for the 500 million p/a to come from Turkey so they can go home with a salary each month, how do you actually think an independent TC state will survive when Turkey turns the tap off?

They imply their acceptance of the UDI by recognizing the breakaway state and exchanging 'ambassadors', but the Turkish 'ambassador' to north Nicosia is in effect the Colonial Governor. It's a crude facade of recognition while maintaining control.

For your second question, if Turkey turns off the money to the north, then things will - not maybe - go bad very soon. Economic dependency on Turkey is the north's Achilles Heel...

You accept that without Turkey, we will be starved out and then wonder at why we are loyal to them? Even if we all saw them as the enemy, why would we turn them away? Lets make some sense here!

That's what I mean, Zan. Your loyalty to Turkey is because Turkey is the one thing keeping the north afloat. As you said earlier: if that is the situation you prefer - and that is the economic reality - then why have a facade of independence? Turkey might as well formally annex the north. It would be more honest.

[Get Real!]

A couple of questions for Utu…

1. Doesn’t it strike you that Turkey has NEVER suggested all these decades a separate TC state to anyone?

2. Given that around 40% of TCs in the “TRNC” are “government employees” twiddling their thumbs all day waiting for the 500 million p/a to come from Turkey so they can go home with a salary each month, how do you actually think an independent TC state will survive when Turkey turns the tap off?

They imply their acceptance of the UDI by recognizing the breakaway state and exchanging 'ambassadors', but the Turkish 'ambassador' to north Nicosia is in effect the Colonial Governor. It's a crude facade of recognition while maintaining control.

For your second question, if Turkey turns off the money to the north, then things will - not maybe - go bad very soon. Economic dependency on Turkey is the north's Achilles Heel...

Utu, on the one hand you are sad that the TCs are “ignorant” to their independence and on the other you have no answer as to HOW they will survive. I find that pretty strange… if I were you I’d worry about the economy FIRST and independence second. What is the point of hoisting an independence flag just to watch such a state fall apart 2-3 months later?

[Get Real!]

The TCs remind me of a teenager who wants to leave home early and move into a place of his own so that he could be his own boss and live the life that he’s always dreamed of without having an income…

Perhaps an ad in the paper should do it: Does anyone want to adopt an overgrown teenager who wants to do his own thing but can’t afford it?