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[Get Real!]

At the end of the day the truth is that some GCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Greece, and some TCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Turkey, so I guess you could say that Cyprus got speared by Greece & Turkey right up the arse…

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

So it was fine for Cyprus to be under Ottoman (or British) rule without the blessing of the 82% of the population (actually the 100% initially) and with native Cypriots as slaves, but not OK to be part of a free Greek state without the blessing of the 18%???

The situation was hardly democratic back then,

It was not democratic back then and ever since because you never allowed it to be. You always wanted to undemocratically impose your will on Cyprus, and this is what you still want today.

the strong conquered the weak, and the people on this island who were for your information not Greek but a mixture of all the conquerers prior to the Ottomans and Brits were the weak and had to live under the conquerer this was the way it was so comparing apples and pears does not make sense.

The people of this island are Greek, either you like it or not. If you are going to tell us that we are not Greek because of "mixures" then what are you going to call the "Turks" who do not even look from Far East which is what the real original Turks were. If you ask from us not to be called Greeks due to "mixures" then you should aslo ask from the "Turks" to be called KurdoAraboBastards because of "mixures" as well.

Mixures happened everywhere, and this is not want defines the ethnicity of people.

The 18% are a substantial number to stand up for what they believe is right and against what is wrong, the majority wanted the Jews dead thats democractic isnt it if you look at it from a numbers angle, the majority in Iran voted for women to be stoned to death if the committed adultery, thats also democratic isnt it? Your "democratic" move to gift this island to Greece was seen as our death warrant so we had to fight against it with every means we had available and we would do the same today.

You should compare the Nazis and the Iranians with yourselves, since you are the Islamo-fascists who thrive on committing genocides, invading and stealing the lands of others.

What we wanted and conitnue to want is our freedom from the foreign invaders and self-determination to Cypriots. Nothing less and nothing more.

Does Turkey take the blessing of the 20% of Kurds for anything they will do??

The Kurds do not have the constitutional rights granted to us via international agreements which contain your signature even today. Thats why they are at war with the Turkish government today, they are fighting to etablish there own state, just like we are fighting for our rights against narrow minded bigots who continue to demand our rights be taken away.

Your 18% to have 50% of power is not your "right". Neither is your right to steal our lands. What you want, unlike the Kurds, is to take our lands, and violate our rights. On the other hand the Kurds wand freedom on the lands they are the majority and which they have been living for 1000s of years before the Turks occupied them.

In Kurdistan there is a minority of Turks, and those Turks want to own and control that territory. The same is with you in Cyprus. It is time for the Turks to allow both Cyprus and Kurdistan to be free from their oppressive brutal rule.

There was absolutely no risk for the lives of TCs with union with Greece. The only thing you would lose would be the unfair privileges granted to you on our expense by the invaders of Cyprus.

In 1958 you attacked us and you re-started the war against us. 1960 was not a "clean slate". How the hell could it be a "clean slate" when British got bases on our land, Turks got to keep troops on Cyprus, and the small TC minority was given so many unfair privileges on our expense?

Says the person whos head was not on the chopping block, forgive us for fearing for our lives and not wanting to become Greek muslims in Greece. You were the ones who signed a structure to combat the mistakes of the past 1958-1960, instead of working with the TCs to improve and build a proud Cypriot people you chose to disregard and brush aside a large part of the population to impose your will and dominance all over the island, we had to fight back and fight back we did by siding with those that promised to help us stay alive.

Mistakes of the 1958-60???? You attacked us collaborating with the foreign colonialists and it is our mistake??? The 1960 constitution was a foreign made structure that was made by the British and Turks and was forced on the Cypriot people. And those foreigners granted to you privileges on our expense for helping them to keep Cyprus enslaved.

The fact is that you re-started the war in 1958 and this war did not end in 1960 with your victory as you would hope. There will be no end in the war with your victory. The war will go on until Cyprus is free and democratic and your minority will accept to be like every other minority in every other country, and stop collaborating with foreigners trying to have unfair and disproportional gains of power and land on our expense by helping those foreigners get what they want from our island.

I am disappointed and despair that you have not changed one iota in understanding that what you have quoted above will never happen becuase we to will not capitualte to GC demands, compromise is called for from both sides which with your mindset displays this will never be possible backs my belief that agree division is the only real solution available, its just a matter of time before everyone sees this reality.

We have already made huge compromises from our rights. Namely we compromised that Cyprus will not be united with the rest of Greece. What compromise did you ever made? On the contrary you continue, as always, to try to have disproportional and unfair gains on our expense.

It is just a matter of time for justice to prevail and your criminal illegal occupation of our country will come to an end. If the time of freedom doesn't come very soon, then by that time there will be nobody that will be able to claim that he is a Cypriot in the occupied north. You will be all just Turks, and you will all be kicked out from our island, ending once and for all the Turkish plague that has caused so much suffering and pain to the Cypriot people.

Its a dead end just like the Cyprus problem, I give up with you Piratis lets just agree to disagree we obviously have no common ground and will continue on with the current unrecognized division for a long time to come.

[Oracle]

And the truth of the matter is the majority of Cypriots (natives) wanted associations with Greece, whereas a small minority (recent invaders) wanted associations with Turkey. So if you respect Democracy; which group had more right to seek a future with their preferred ally?

It doesn't take too much to make you realise that trying to sit on the fence with this one, makes a mockery of Democracy!

[denizaksulu]

Typical Piratis quote, 'The people of this island are Greek.'

You should retire now Piratis. Even Cyprus donkeys are laughing. We are from Cyprus and we are NOT Greek. You carry on this game and you will get me BANNED

Look mate, I can say the people of London are English, this doesn't mean everyone is English, as there are several other minorities living there. The same goes for Cyprus.

I didn't say that everybody living in Cyprus is Greek, but the vast majority of the native population is, and so is the history of this island.

Next time make it clear. You generalise too much.

Its the point I was making. There are indeed others on the island. I am delighted you noticed.

[denizaksulu]

So it was fine for Cyprus to be under Ottoman (or British) rule without the blessing of the 82% of the population (actually the 100% initially) and with native Cypriots as slaves, but not OK to be part of a free Greek state without the blessing of the 18%???

Does Turkey take the blessing of the 20% of Kurds for anything they will do??

There was absolutely no risk for the lives of TCs with union with Greece. The only thing you would lose would be the unfair privileges granted to you on our expense by the invaders of Cyprus.

In 1958 you attacked us and you re-started the war against us. 1960 was not a "clean slate". How the hell could it be a "clean slate" when British got bases on our land, Turks got to keep troops on Cyprus, and the small TC minority was given so many unfair privileges on our expense?

The fact is that you re-started the war in 1958 and this war did not end in 1960 with your victory as you would hope. There will be no end in the war with your victory. The war will go on until Cyprus is free and democratic and your minority will accept to be like every other minority in every other country, and stop collaborating with foreigners trying to have unfair and disproportional gains of power and land on our expense by helping those foreigners get what they want from our island.

Piratis says,' the small TC minority was given so many unfair privileges on our expense?'. I dont give a Euro who the devil you are, but statements like that shows you as a 'Comedien par excellence'. Idiotic statements like that shows your utter idiocy and 'I dont give a FUCK about TCs in Cyprus' attitude. What a plonker. It is people like you who have split OUR island, now we (Cypriots) are paying the price.

Who split our island are the Turkish invaders. You are the one who came up with the "Taksim" idea in the 50s isn't it?

Or maybe to keep Cyprus "united" we should accept to have it united under your terms? Like it was united under Ottoman rule, or "united" under terms that would give to you Ottoman style privileges on our expense granted to you by invaders of Cyprus. This is the kind of "united" that you want?

No Piratis. To keep Cyprus united all you had to do was to stick to the Zurich Agreements and the new Cyprus constitution in 1963, with out trying to alter it. TCs did not write the constitution. WAKE UP.

[denizaksulu]

And the truth of the matter is the majority of Cypriots (natives) wanted associations with Greece, whereas a small minority (recent invaders) wanted associations with Turkey. So if you respect Democracy; which group had more right to seek a future with their preferred ally?

It doesn't take too much to make you realise that trying to sit on the fence with this one, makes a mockery of Democracy!

Oracle, it was not simply an 'association with Turkey'. Until 1914 the TCs were still 'nominally' Ottoman subjects, temporarily governed by Britain. They felt they were still Ottomans and part of the Ottoman Empire.

[BirKibrisli]

At the end of the day the truth is that some GCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Greece, and some TCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Turkey, so I guess you could say that Cyprus got speared by Greece & Turkey right up the arse…

Don't start being selective now,GR!
You forgot the Britain,USA and the USSR...

[BirKibrisli]

It is Okey to talk about real "democracy " now and aspire to it,but we mustn't forget the the GCs were not interested in such notions back in the days of the True ROC...I remember reading an anectode told by Arif Hasan Tahsin in AFRIKA newspaper...It was 1962 from memory....They were building a road connecting two TC villages....The expenditure committee met under Makarios,and present was Yorgadjis and Tpapa, amongst others,one of whom leaked this story...There were arguments as to the cost of the project....The cost was,say,10,000 pounds...The committee only approved 5,000 pounds and it was decided,on the votes of the GC members,that only one lane would be paved,and the return lane would remain dirt road...Makarios was apparently very satisfied with the outcome...He turned to Yorgadjis and said, "We just saved 5,000 pounds,Policarpo..." Yorgadjis did not see things that way..."No,Mr President...We just wasted 5,000 pounds"...

[Murataga]

The people of this island are Greek , either you like it or not. If you are going to tell us that we are not Greek because of "mixures" then what are you going to call the "Turks" who do not even look from Far East which is what the real original Turks were. If you ask from us not to be called Greeks due to "mixures" then you should aslo ask from the "Turks" to be called KurdoAraboBastards because of "mixures" as well.

Mixures happened everywhere, and this is not want defines the ethnicity of people.

Piratis - You just made my day with the above overall argument and with the highlighted sentence in particular

Viewpoint - My congratulations and gratitude for making him write the above. Of all the things the TCs have gotten him to say, I personally believe this one tops it all.

[Get Real!]

At the end of the day the truth is that some GCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Greece, and some TCs behaved stupid because they were being speared on by Turkey, so I guess you could say that Cyprus got speared by Greece & Turkey right up the arse…

Don't start being selective now,GR!
You forgot the Britain,USA and the USSR...

I expect nothing from foreigners but getting rooted by the "mother" countries… whatever happened to “Once bitten twice shy”?