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[utu]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

But do TC's want to live in a state run from Ankara? The current situation has made the north of Cyprus into a Turkish colony. Not exactly independent, is it?

Why does it bother you so much?

My thesis talked about Taksim and what it meant: split Cyprus between Greece and Turkey, OR split off a seperate state for Turkish Cypriots. The 1983 UDI would have meant the latter meaning, but the actions of Turkey more clearly indicate the former. A facade of "independence" whilst controlling the economy, the military, and the north's "government" is what is happening. For those TC's who believe in independence, it rather makes their views irrelevent, doesn't it? So when Ankara claims to be fighting for 'TRNC independence', they're actually llying to both the TC's and the outside world. That's what bothers me.

[Viewpoint]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

But do TC's want to live in a state run from Ankara? The current situation has made the north of Cyprus into a Turkish colony. Not exactly independent, is it?

Why does it bother you so much?

My thesis talked about Taksim and what it meant: split Cyprus between Greece and Turkey, OR split off a seperate state for Turkish Cypriots. The 1983 UDI would have meant the latter meaning, but the actions of Turkey more clearly indicate the former. A facade of "independence" whilst controlling the economy, the military, and the north's "government" is what is happening. For those TC's who believe in independence, it rather makes their views irrelevent, doesn't it? So when Ankara claims to be fighting for 'TRNC independence', they're actually llying to both the TC's and the outside world. That's what bothers me.

If you dont like the current climate in the TRNC and all the support you get from your only allie then get out, move south to the GC state. Have you forgotten that GCs contributed to the current divide which is now unsolvable, easy to blame Turkey when the real culprits are the ones who wanted to gift our island to Greece, even in 2008 all they want is to demote you to minority status in your own country like you are a visitor and not indigenous.

[iceman]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

[Kifeas]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

But do TC's want to live in a state run from Ankara? The current situation has made the north of Cyprus into a Turkish colony. Not exactly independent, is it?

Why does it bother you so much?

My thesis talked about Taksim and what it meant: split Cyprus between Greece and Turkey, OR split off a seperate state for Turkish Cypriots. The 1983 UDI would have meant the latter meaning, but the actions of Turkey more clearly indicate the former. A facade of "independence" whilst controlling the economy, the military, and the north's "government" is what is happening. For those TC's who believe in independence, it rather makes their views irrelevent, doesn't it? So when Ankara claims to be fighting for 'TRNC independence', they're actually llying to both the TC's and the outside world. That's what bothers me.

Utu, the 1983 UDI is illegal and nullified in the first place, with or without Turkey's domination and control! Stop wasting your time with nonsense, giving the impression that had Turkey not being dominating the TC community affairs; the TCs may have had a better thesis! The TC community has no such a right to an exclusive and /or separate self-determination, because it does not constitute a people in the sense in which the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refer to!

[Viewpoint]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

[Viewpoint]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

But do TC's want to live in a state run from Ankara? The current situation has made the north of Cyprus into a Turkish colony. Not exactly independent, is it?

Why does it bother you so much?

My thesis talked about Taksim and what it meant: split Cyprus between Greece and Turkey, OR split off a seperate state for Turkish Cypriots. The 1983 UDI would have meant the latter meaning, but the actions of Turkey more clearly indicate the former. A facade of "independence" whilst controlling the economy, the military, and the north's "government" is what is happening. For those TC's who believe in independence, it rather makes their views irrelevent, doesn't it? So when Ankara claims to be fighting for 'TRNC independence', they're actually llying to both the TC's and the outside world. That's what bothers me.

Utu, the 1983 UDI is illegal and nullified in the first place, with or without Turkey's domination and control! Stop wasting your time with nonsense, giving the impression that had Turkey not being dominating the TC community affairs; the TCs may have had a better thesis! The TC community has no such a right to an exclusive and /or separate self-determination, because it does not constitute a people in the sense in which the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refer to!

Recognized or not the TRNC is fuctioning with its population ands theres nothing you can do about it, if you want to find a compromise then we are willing to listen but you have to give in order to take and we will not cave into your demands.

[iceman]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

VP
You are not educated enough on the subject to lecture me on Cyprus history.
I know more than you will ever know.

[Viewpoint]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

VP
You are not educated enough on the subject to lecture me on Cyprus history.
I know more than you will ever know.

If you are so wise then why not share it with us so we can understand why the TC population do not trust GCs and always refer back to the problems and fears they experienced at the hands of the majority in 1963 and why they do not want unfication GC style, what makes them all wrong and you right?

[Get Real!]

No TC out there want to live with GCs in a GC state run by GCs? anyone?

Noooo....we all want to live with Anatolian Turks in a Turkish state run by Ankara...

You have your GC brothers to thank for that.

Yeah sure...any excuse to help your conscience..

Remember the isolation tactics which starte din 1963 and continue until this day.

VP
You are not educated enough on the subject to lecture me on Cyprus history.
I know more than you will ever know.

If you are so wise then why not share it with us so we can understand why the TC population do not trust GCs and always refer back to the problems and fears they experienced at the hands of the majority in 1963 and why they do not want unfication GC style, what makes them all wrong and you right?

How about an education system custom designed to do just that?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus17790.html

[Nikitas]

VP,

Who has ever suggested that TCs should live in a GC state as a minority? Since 1977 we are talking BBF till we are sick of it. The ones changing the game plan all the time are the TC negotiators and Turkey with ad hoc inventions like confederation, then came the TRNC and now the idiot idea of virgin birth. You are trying to be a little provocative with this thread aren't you! Just a little!