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GR you should have seen the TCs enjoying seeing in the new year hotels were 100% full.

Well good for them.... hotels all over the world were probably booked out.

Wheres the doom and gloom GCs persistently predict year after year?

When are the next govt pay cheques due for this year?

Payable to whom?

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If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

[Piratis]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

[Viewpoint]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

The opportunity to build 1 Cypriot people was lost in 1963, we are currently 2 communities GCs and TCs, divided for 34 years trying to work out a structure where we can learn to trust each other and build 1 Cypriot country with 1 Cypriot identity, this identity will not appear from thin air it has to be built over many years of development and experience that this route is more beneficial to all concerned.

[Byron]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

The opportunity to build 1 Cypriot people was lost in 1963, we are currently 2 communities GCs and TCs, divided for 34 years trying to work out a structure where we can learn to trust each other and build 1 Cypriot country with 1 Cypriot identity, this identity will not appear from thin air it has to be built over many years of development and experience that this route is more beneficial to all concerned.

Many years of development and experience........... The US took over 200 years to achieve this goal .

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Exactly Byron so just saying we are all Cypriots does not cut it.

[Byron]

Exactly Byron so just saying we are all Cypriots does not cut it.

I can't see this forum lasting so long !!

[Piratis]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

The opportunity to build 1 Cypriot people was lost in 1963, we are currently 2 communities GCs and TCs, divided for 34 years trying to work out a structure where we can learn to trust each other and build 1 Cypriot country with 1 Cypriot identity, this identity will not appear from thin air it has to be built over many years of development and experience that this route is more beneficial to all concerned.

Right from the very moment that the Turks set their foot on this island they divided people into Muslims(Turks) and lower class Christians(Greeks) in order to oppress the native Cypriot population. I didn't see the Turks doing anything for the creation of a common Cypriot identity during the 300+ years they ruled the island against the will of the native Cypriot people. At no point the Turks wanted to integrate with the rest of Cypriots because they always wanted to be separate and enjoy privileges on the expense of everybody else. This is something that continues today.

Therefore the conclusion is that what we have in Cyprus is not "just Cypriots", but a native Greek speaking Cypriot majority and a minority of ethnic Turks, a minority which was created on our island like it was created on many other Greek territories, as well as other areas that were under the Ottoman empire (e.g. the Turkish minority in Bulgaria).

Conclusion: The Turks never assimilated into Cypriots (like it happened with communities from other former rulers of Cyprus), and they remain a separate ethnic minority in Cyprus.

[Byron]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

The opportunity to build 1 Cypriot people was lost in 1963, we are currently 2 communities GCs and TCs, divided for 34 years trying to work out a structure where we can learn to trust each other and build 1 Cypriot country with 1 Cypriot identity, this identity will not appear from thin air it has to be built over many years of development and experience that this route is more beneficial to all concerned.

Right from the very moment that the Turks set their foot on this island they divided people into Muslims(Turks) and lower class Christians(Greeks) in order to oppress the native Cypriot population. I didn't see the Turks doing anything for the creation of a common Cypriot identity during the 300+ years they ruled the island against the will of the native Cypriot people. At no point the Turks wanted to integrate with the rest of Cypriots because they always wanted to be separate and enjoy privileges on the expense of everybody else. This is something that continues today.

Therefore the conclusion is that what we have in Cyprus is not "just Cypriots", but a native Greek speaking Cypriot majority and a minority of ethnic Turks, a minority which was created on our island like it was created on many other Greek territories, as well as other areas that were under the Ottoman empire (e.g. the Turkish minority in Bulgaria).

Conclusion: The Turks never assimilated into Cypriots (like it happened with communities from other former rulers of Cyprus), and they remain a separate ethnic minority in Cyprus.

To summarise your statement : Cypriots = Greeks

[Viewpoint]

If we are all Cypriots( i.e. the majority), would someone please explain to me why we have not been able to reach an agreement after 34 years ?

Trust is the key, we do not trust the other side to do the right thing if we should decide to become one majority.

THE OTHER SIDE ????

NO trust = GCs and TCs = 2 sides = No one majority.

If no majority, then we are not all CYPRIOTS ? Is this your reply ?

You can not just click your fingers and hope everyone considers themselves Cypriots this is something that can only be achieved through trust and a gradual understanding that united we are better than divided.

VP, your logic is lacking significantly.

The only way not to have majority and minority is if we are "Just Cypriots". In this case: Just Cypriots = 100% = no majority, no minority.

If we are split into GCs and TCs (for whatever reason) then the equation is like this:

82% GC > 18% TCs = GCs majority, TCs minority.

So, VP, what is your position? Are we all just Cypriots? Or we are ethnic Greeks and ethnic Turks, in which case the Turks are an ethnic minority in an island which is predominantly Greek?

The opportunity to build 1 Cypriot people was lost in 1963, we are currently 2 communities GCs and TCs, divided for 34 years trying to work out a structure where we can learn to trust each other and build 1 Cypriot country with 1 Cypriot identity, this identity will not appear from thin air it has to be built over many years of development and experience that this route is more beneficial to all concerned.

Right from the very moment that the Turks set their foot on this island they divided people into Muslims(Turks) and lower class Christians(Greeks) in order to oppress the native Cypriot population. I didn't see the Turks doing anything for the creation of a common Cypriot identity during the 300+ years they ruled the island against the will of the native Cypriot people. At no point the Turks wanted to integrate with the rest of Cypriots because they always wanted to be separate and enjoy privileges on the expense of everybody else. This is something that continues today.

Therefore the conclusion is that what we have in Cyprus is not "just Cypriots", but a native Greek speaking Cypriot majority and a minority of ethnic Turks, a minority which was created on our island like it was created on many other Greek territories, as well as other areas that were under the Ottoman empire (e.g. the Turkish minority in Bulgaria).

Conclusion: The Turks never assimilated into Cypriots (like it happened with communities from other former rulers of Cyprus), and they remain a separate ethnic minority in Cyprus.

Piratis still going on about what happened 450 years ago when his sins where commited by his fathers only 45 years ago. You were the one who claimed we lived together peacefully without any problems, so at that point the past should have been forgotten but obviously not, 1960 was our opportunity to for a Cypriot people but you had no intention of honouring the deal, by trying to change it even before the ink had time to dry, you had hidden agendas which messed everything up and now after 35 years of division you expect to play your new we are all Cypriots card which is just camaflouge to saying allow us to take control of the whole island and run it as we see fit with you just as another minority at our mercy to do with as we see fit, well seeing you have not forgotten what happened 450 years ago we stand no chance for what happened only 35 years ago, no thanks we demand safeguards plenty of them and an effective say in the running of a united Cyprus and our own future.