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[Kifeas]

Limassol is indeed a cosmopolitan city in its broader sense -probably the only one in Cyprus to such an extent,

Not bad!

I have seen many mentally retarded people, "Get Real," but you hit rock bottom!

[zan]

You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...

You are spot on,Utu...And by negotiating a solution now ,Christofias is falling into the Turkish trap....The only solution Turkey will accept is one that is at least as good as the status quo ,or better for Turkey...Anything else defies logic....If Christofias wants to avoid partition he should stop negotiating and invite all the TCs in the North and in the diaspora to return to the ROC under the 1960 agreements....With the understanding that when a minumum,specified number of TCs return a more workable agreement will be negotiated amongst Cypriots...Then it will be Cypriots vs an occupier an her collaborators in the North....Turkey will have little moral ground to stand on...But this is just too outside the square for any politician in the south to seriously consider....But it is the only answer to our predicament...Everything else will lead to partition,on Turkey's terms..

As you said.......We are not given the choices we deserve so...we chose the thing that is left to us.

[Get Real!]

Limassol is indeed a cosmopolitan city in its broader sense -probably the only one in Cyprus to such an extent,

Not bad!

I have seen many mentally retarded people, "Get Real," but you hit rock bottom!

You've spent so much time in Paphos that now even Limassol feels "cosmopolitan" when you go there! This is your first yet brilliant attempt at humor Kifeas…

[utu]

You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...

utu
You have my respect for your honesty..
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government should look up the meaning of the word "sovereign"

It was actually because of comments made by Expatkiwi/Dean on the ATCA Forum that made me make that posting. He is being badly abused by Turkish Cypriots because he had the effrontery to state that he supported independence for the north of Cyprus on the basis of the true meaning of what the words "independence" and "sovereignty" mean. By his criticizing Turkey for it's total economic and military stranglehold on the north (to use his phrase: "resulting in Turkey fatally compromising the TRNC's declaration of independence"), and also criticising Turkey's policy regarding Armenia and Kurdish-self determination in order to show that he doesn't blindly support everything Turkey has done, he is being branded "an enemy of 'TRNC' "! Looks like one has to utterly support Turkey in order to be "good enough" to support the north of Cyprus... Maybe this will make Expatkiwi realize finally that an independent northern Cyprus is not what Turkey wants, and that the Turkish Cypriots are being played for fools by the government in Ankara to further their own political-military agenda.

[zan]

You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...

utu
You have my respect for your honesty..
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government should look up the meaning of the word "sovereign"

It was actually because of comments made by Expatkiwi/Dean on the ATCA Forum that made me make that posting. He is being badly abused by Turkish Cypriots because he had the effrontery to state that he supported independence for the north of Cyprus on the basis of the true meaning of what the words "independence" and "sovereignty" mean. By his criticizing Turkey for it's total economic and military stranglehold on the north (to use his phrase: "resulting in Turkey fatally compromising the TRNC's declaration of independence"), and also criticising Turkey's policy regarding Armenia and Kurdish-self determination in order to show that he doesn't blindly support everything Turkey has done, he is being branded "an enemy of 'TRNC' "! Looks like one has to utterly support Turkey in order to be "good enough" to support the north of Cyprus... Maybe this will make Expatkiwi realize finally that an independent northern Cyprus is not what Turkey wants, and that the Turkish Cypriots are being played for fools by the government in Ankara to further their own political-military agenda.

That is one interpretation utu...The other is that after 2004 the TCs have had enough of waiting and are slowly but surely nailing their colours to the mast. They want to get on with their lives and see Turkey as the way out, that is if she carries on the reforms.

[utu]

That is one interpretation utu...The other is that after 2004 the TCs have had enough of waiting and are slowly but surely nailing their colours to the mast. They want to get on with their lives and see Turkey as the way out, that is if she carries on the reforms.

That's the question, Zan: Will she? If even mild criticism of the type that Expatkiwi opined at ATCA resulted in his being ostracised by you folk (which is incredible as he still completely supports the north's independence), what kind of signal does that send regarding Turkey's intentions?

[zan]

That is one interpretation utu...The other is that after 2004 the TCs have had enough of waiting and are slowly but surely nailing their colours to the mast. They want to get on with their lives and see Turkey as the way out, that is if she carries on the reforms.

That's the question, Zan: Will she? If even mild criticism of the type that Expatkiwi opined at ATCA resulted in his being ostracised by you folk (which is incredible as he still completely supports the north's independence), what kind of signal does that send regarding Turkey's intentions?

You have seen the same here when the "RoC" or Greece has been criticised. Why pick on ATCA? Each side is protecting its own...Nothing new there!

I have great hope that they will continue......Nothing good happens over night.

[utu]

That is one interpretation utu...The other is that after 2004 the TCs have had enough of waiting and are slowly but surely nailing their colours to the mast. They want to get on with their lives and see Turkey as the way out, that is if she carries on the reforms.

That's the question, Zan: Will she? If even mild criticism of the type that Expatkiwi opined at ATCA resulted in his being ostracised by you folk (which is incredible as he still completely supports the north's independence), what kind of signal does that send regarding Turkey's intentions?

You have seen the same here when the "RoC" or Greece has been criticised. Why pick on ATCA? Each side is protecting its own...Nothing new there!

I have great hope that they will continue......Nothing good happens over night.

Then tell that to Expatkiwi/Dean... that is if you don't think of him as 'traitorous', like most of your folk seem to...

[zan]

That is one interpretation utu...The other is that after 2004 the TCs have had enough of waiting and are slowly but surely nailing their colours to the mast. They want to get on with their lives and see Turkey as the way out, that is if she carries on the reforms.

That's the question, Zan: Will she? If even mild criticism of the type that Expatkiwi opined at ATCA resulted in his being ostracised by you folk (which is incredible as he still completely supports the north's independence), what kind of signal does that send regarding Turkey's intentions?

You have seen the same here when the "RoC" or Greece has been criticised. Why pick on ATCA? Each side is protecting its own...Nothing new there!

I have great hope that they will continue......Nothing good happens over night.

Then tell that to Expatkiwi/Dean... that is if you don't think of him as 'traitorous', like most of your folk seem to...

Expat is going out for all out recognition. More power to his elbow.

[utu]

Expat is going out for all out recognition. More power to his elbow.

Then you must be one of the few people who don't think him a low-life turd... He's hated here on this forum for being anti-reunification, and now he's despised by the ATCA folk for being anti-annexionist. Not exactly the most envious of positions for a person to be...