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[Get Real!]

Zan,

If what you say is true, and TC's were forced off their lands at gunpoint into enclaves, then why has there been no major effort to redress this? I would have thought that the EU would have wanted to see resolution on such a thing.

The TMT/TCs were no pushovers, ask Zanny how they held the Nicosia-Limassol highway hostage at the Kofinou region and nearly brought the Republic to its knees by delaying and/or disallowing traffic flow, prompting Greece to send the infamous 10,000 troops to free it, which were soon after replaced by UN personnel in a new resolution. So don’t buy that shit that they were “forced out” from here or there.

The cowboys were forced to make a circle with their wagons after which they became a stronger force in which food, baby milk and medicines were stopped and you tell us that we did it to ourselves.....What a plonker........that reminds me...What did happen to Miltiades????

He's stuck somewhere in Kofinou...

Did utu make a complaint about how he was treated on this Forum???

Not that I know of, but must we get bans mixed into all this now?

[utu]

Let's not forget though that the TCs were not the type (at the time) to lodge any complains to the UN and such. They were never the wimpy kind so when crossed they just came back with more volunteers to fight...

Yeah, that they did. But do you think that there were some properties lost the way that the TC's charged? Or were all of them pushed off by TMT?

[zan]

Zan,

If what you say is true, and TC's were forced off their lands at gunpoint into enclaves, then why has there been no major effort to redress this? I would have thought that the EU would have wanted to see resolution on such a thing.

This question is very confusing utu...what era are you talking about??

This is the one thing that makes me wonder about the events of 1963 happenning as stated. The EU's charter on human rights makes redress of ethnic wrongs a priority. So, if the Turkish Cypriot land owners were forced off their land and pushed into enclaves by Greek Cypriots, then the EU would rightly insist upon those land losses being redressed, right? The EU has a court whose decisions are binding on members. So, if Turkish Cypriot land was indeed taken en-masse, where is the EU ruling regarding this?

Let's not forget though that the TCs were not the type (at the time) to lodge any complains to the UN and such. They were never the wimpy kind so when crossed they just came back with more volunteers to fight...

where do you think this crap phrase "Inter-communal fighting" came from utu????? Playing with words was Tpaps forte......He was described as the best legal brain in the world.......You really need to read more on those events...there is far to much for me to go into here.......

[utu]

Zan,

I'm trying to get clarification, that's all. The answers I'm getting have been quite illuminating, and it helps mwe with my thesis. When you look at it from afar, it is plain to see that word-play has been used a lot by both sides, and with the end result of entrenched opinions, based on arguments sounding logical and straight-forward. I'm trying to get beyond that. When one has bare facts, then - and only then - can an informed judgement be made. Thus far, I don't see any compelling reasons for seperation. Maybe federation of some kind.

[Get Real!]

Let's not forget though that the TCs were not the type (at the time) to lodge any complains to the UN and such. They were never the wimpy kind so when crossed they just came back with more volunteers to fight...

Yeah, that they did. But do you think that there were some properties lost the way that the TC's charged? Or were all of them pushed off by TMT?

Turkey made its mind up sometime in the early fifties to commence the partition process because of worries of Greek influence on the island so they gradually began "encouraging" the TCs to start heading/planning for a more northerly direction in all aspects and the TMT was formed to assist that. In many cases instilling fear that GCs would come and kill them worked but some TCs had good government jobs etc and were not that prepared to let go and head for some camp north and that's when the TMT would use more persuasive methods which varied in intensity.

That's not to say that some TCs did not feel the pressure to move as some GCs could also get violent and behave stupid.

[zan]

Zan,

I'm trying to get clarification, that's all. The answers I'm getting have been quite illuminating, and it helps mwe with my thesis. When you look at it from afar, it is plain to see that word-play has been used a lot by both sides, and with the end result of entrenched opinions, based on arguments sounding logical and straight-forward. I'm trying to get beyond that. When one has bare facts, then - and only then - can an informed judgement be made. Thus far, I don't see any compelling reasons for seperation. Maybe federation of some kind.

The reason is because we are not allowed to return to the place where we had a right to govern ourselves utu.....

[Get Real!]

If I were to summarize the Cypriot people’s demise it would have to be their lack of education and tendency to be easily led astray by better organized and more powerful countries. Turning Cypriot against Cypriot was easy as pie back then but I can’t see that happening any more if we were to live together as everyone would be busy pursuing material gains and having a good time…

[utu]

If I were to summarize the Cypriot people’s demise it would have to be their lack of education and tendency to be easily led astray by better organized and more powerful countries. Turning Cypriot against Cypriot was easy as pie back then but I can’t see that happening any more if we were to live together as everyone would be busy pursuing material gains and having a good time…

Britain was to blame for that. Also the realpolitik of the Cold War. It left one hell of a legacy for Cyprus, whichever way you look at it...

[zan]

If I were to summarize the Cypriot people’s demise it would have to be their lack of education and tendency to be easily led astray by better organized and more powerful countries. Turning Cypriot against Cypriot was easy as pie back then but I can’t see that happening any more if we were to live together as everyone would be busy pursuing material gains and having a good time…

Britain was to blame for that. Also the realpolitik of the Cold War. It left one hell of a legacy for Cyprus, whichever way you look at it...

The Megali idea and ENOSIS would have done the same without the Brits or anyone else being there.......The TCs sat and watched as island after island went that way and some are even closer than CYprus to Turkey.....The cancer came to close for comfort.....Lets not try to find scapegoats here.

[Get Real!]

If I were to summarize the Cypriot people’s demise it would have to be their lack of education and tendency to be easily led astray by better organized and more powerful countries. Turning Cypriot against Cypriot was easy as pie back then but I can’t see that happening any more if we were to live together as everyone would be busy pursuing material gains and having a good time…

Britain was to blame for that. Also the realpolitik of the Cold War. It left one hell of a legacy for Cyprus, whichever way you look at it...

All the Cypriots are generally good natured and very hospitable but they were never left alone by the terrible three. Now though, with the GC financial strength and foothold into the world we have for the first time a chance for all Cypriots to stand up tall, proud, united, and even do better with our greater united numbers. Any shortcomings that the TCs may have in skills etc can be easily overcome within five years and then we’ll have an even bigger manpower all up to scratch to kick more butt… I recon everyone will have a ball provided its done under a proper democracy.