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[Tim Drayton]

Iceman,
A couple of genuine questions:

Do you dream one day of returning to Limassol?
Do you have no wish to return to Limassol now because you will be a member of a minority?
If, following a solution you could do so as a member of a community with equal political rights, would you then return to Limassol?

[MrH]

Viewpoint,

Rightly said, and, if I may add, what securities would we (TCs) be able to rely on when/if the TCs suddenly start on us again - as we all know it takes them only one Football game to lead such a violent craze on!

Also, with Turkey's EU application in limbo for probably the next 50 years - please read:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 99&gid=260

Why are we even bothering with a Federal formula?

[Kikapu]

Viewpoint,

Rightly said, and, if I may add, what securities would we (TCs) be able to rely on when/if the TCs suddenly start on us again - as we all know it takes them only one Football game to lead such a violent craze on!

Also, with Turkey's EU application in limbo for probably the next 50 years - please read:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 99&gid=260

Why are we even bothering with a Federal formula?

if the TCs suddenly start on us again

Who the hell are you talking about now..........the TMT??

You make less sense than VP and Talat both put together.!!

[iceman]

Iceman,
A couple of genuine questions:

Do you dream one day of returning to Limassol?
Do you have no wish to return to Limassol now because you will be a member of a minority?
If, following a solution you could do so as a member of a community with equal political rights, would you then return to Limassol?

Tim
I am way past the age to do a fresh start anywhere,so although own property there i have no desire to return to Limassol.

Even if i was younger the reason for not returning would not be security or political but purely social.
Even tho we shared a lot of things with fellow GC's we did live in our own community before 1974..

Limassol is not the same place i left 34 years ago..Its full of non Cypriots i have no desire in being neighbours with.
(having said that Kyrenia is also full of non Cypriots i don't like as neighbours either but i am stuck with it)

Being old enough to remember Cyprus as a whole,it breaks my heart to see it divided.
Not one day passes where i don't curse the people responsible for this separation.

Cyprus is my home and i will never support the mentality which treats any part of my home as foreign land..
Being realistic i also accept the fact that a pre74 Cyprus will only be a dream,but what ever the solution,i want all the Cypriots to be free to choose where they want to live.

[MrH]

Kikapu,

Sorry mate, I meant to say "GCs"!

My mistake! That's what happens when you onyl post from you WORK PC!

[MrH]

Or...

Blackberry!!!!!!

[Tim Drayton]

Iceman,
A couple of genuine questions:

Do you dream one day of returning to Limassol?
Do you have no wish to return to Limassol now because you will be a member of a minority?
If, following a solution you could do so as a member of a community with equal political rights, would you then return to Limassol?

Tim
I am way past the age to do a fresh start anywhere,so although own property there i have no desire to return to Limassol.

Even if i was younger the reason for not returning would not be security or political but purely social.
Even tho we shared a lot of things with fellow GC's we did live in our own community before 1974..

Limassol is not the same place i left 34 years ago..Its full of non Cypriots i have no desire in being neighbours with.
(having said that Kyrenia is also full of non Cypriots i don't like as neighbours either but i am stuck with it)

Being old enough to remember Cyprus as a whole,it breaks my heart to see it divided.
Not one day passes where i don't curse the people responsible for this separation.

Cyprus is my home and i will never support the mentality which treats any part of my home as foreign land..
Being realistic i also accept the fact that a pre74 Cyprus will only be a dream,but what ever the solution,i want all the Cypriots to be free to choose where they want to live.

Thanks for your genuine and considered response. Obviously I do not know the Limassol that you left 34 years ago, but I think that Limassol today is a wonderful place to live and find it hard to believe that anybody would not wish to return here. This is a superficial view, of course, and maybe I am one of the non-Cypriots that you do not wish to live next to! Halil told me that a survey of Turkish Cypriot refugees showed that very few people wished to return to their old homes. As I see from your reply above, the reasons for this are quite complex, but I can't help feeling that at the same time this situation "spreads butter on the partitionists' bread" (to use the Turkish idiom) i.e. helps their cause without meaning to.

[Get Real!]

...I think that Limassol today is a wonderful place to live and find it hard to believe that anybody would not wish to return here.

You are one of the foreigners he wants to avoid Timbo...

[Kifeas]

Iceman,
A couple of genuine questions:

Do you dream one day of returning to Limassol?
Do you have no wish to return to Limassol now because you will be a member of a minority?
If, following a solution you could do so as a member of a community with equal political rights, would you then return to Limassol?

Tim
I am way past the age to do a fresh start anywhere,so although own property there i have no desire to return to Limassol.

Even if i was younger the reason for not returning would not be security or political but purely social.
Even tho we shared a lot of things with fellow GC's we did live in our own community before 1974..

Limassol is not the same place i left 34 years ago..Its full of non Cypriots i have no desire in being neighbours with.
(having said that Kyrenia is also full of non Cypriots i don't like as neighbours either but i am stuck with it)

Being old enough to remember Cyprus as a whole,it breaks my heart to see it divided.
Not one day passes where i don't curse the people responsible for this separation.

Cyprus is my home and i will never support the mentality which treats any part of my home as foreign land..
Being realistic i also accept the fact that a pre74 Cyprus will only be a dream,but what ever the solution,i want all the Cypriots to be free to choose where they want to live.

Thanks for your genuine and considered response. Obviously I do not know the Limassol that you left 34 years ago, but I think that Limassol today is a wonderful place to live and find it hard to believe that anybody would not wish to return here. This is a superficial view, of course, and maybe I am one of the non-Cypriots that you do not wish to live next to! Halil told me that a survey of Turkish Cypriot refugees showed that very few people wished to return to their old homes. As I see from your reply above, the reasons for this are quite complex, but I can't help feeling that at the same time this situation "spreads butter on the partitionists' bread" (to use the Turkish idiom) i.e. helps their cause without meaning to.

Tim, I am afraid you missed what Iceman was trying to say, which sums up what and how I would describe the prospects of me living in Kyrenia. What he says is that the only meaning Limassol has, for him, is the life experience he had being with his fellow TC neighbours and childhood friends, and if those are not returning back to it in order to recreate the old times, in a way, then there is not point in him coming alone to live in Limassol nowadays. Limassol is indeed a cosmopolitan city in its broader sense -probably the only one in Cyprus to such an extent, however it is also a city that does or should also belong to its indigenous inhabitants, part of which is also the TC limassonians. If this feeling -which the GC Limassonians do enjoy, cannot be established in iceman and the rest of the TCs, and instead they will feel just like all the rest of new-comers in Limassol, then what is the point of ever relocating into an estranged city? These are the very sad and traumatic circumstances the division of Cyprus created. I only wished that more TCs would share Iceman’s way of feeling and /or thinking, but unfortunately a lot of brainwashing had run through their minds all these years, to the extent that more and more GCs find it hard to identify with them and see them as fellow Cypriots.

[Get Real!]

Limassol is indeed a cosmopolitan city in its broader sense -probably the only one in Cyprus to such an extent,

Not bad!