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[Byron]

I thought we were discussing this in a civilised manner Byron


There is no answer to your question because the numbers are desputed whichever way they point......The one thing that should help you to solve your problem is to ask how many TCs live in the "RoC" and how many in the TRNC......The answer then is quite clear. I have no actual figures for you.

Hey Zan, I am discussing in a civil manner. It was you who said the vast majority of TC's support partition. If there are no real statistics fine just say in my opinion the majority support Union with Turkey. Unless we have clear defined lines we shall never know. The fact that most TC's live in the North does not mean that they would be against restoring the ROC status quo. In fact you said earlier that the majority of TC's voted in favour of the Annan plan which contradicts to your theory.

There is no theory Byron...Just reality. The reality is we are given no real choices by the "RoC" as it stands.....Just like your government represents your views then ours represents ours. Make of that what you will. Reality also tells us that Greece and Turkey have an interest in this also. Ignore it and you will be confused as to what it is that you must do, for ever.


The truth is that more and more TCs are thinking that the Turkish route is the only route and being people that just want to get on with their lives and knowing SOMETHING must give, are resolute to achieve that goal. It is the shutting of the unification door that has caused this. Don't act all so surprised at the outcome.

Frankly I am not surprised by your comments at all. You say ( or my interpretation of your message) that TC's are not given a choice by the Greek Cypriots. If you were given a choice what would be your proposals?

Of course you shouldn't be surprised! You may want to rethink as to why you are not though.


I have proposals that are unachievable as in the return to the Zurich agreement in full as if nothing has happened or the most sensible in that we make a clean break and get on with our lives with those that have lost land to get compensation......realitic compensation, of which my family are one.

What happens in the future as to unification is up to the people of the day and the circumstances...It's time to move on!

With the utmost due respect you are not providing me with any proposals for a political solution. I am not advocating a return to the Zurich Agreements. I agree it is time to move on but under what political mechanisim? that is why I am asking you to provide me with your suggestions of a solution without pre-conditions. Let's kindly hear them ?

I did Byron A clean break. 70/30

Sorry but I do not understand your joke ! Try explaining it with a few more words.

[zan]

I thought we were discussing this in a civilised manner Byron


There is no answer to your question because the numbers are desputed whichever way they point......The one thing that should help you to solve your problem is to ask how many TCs live in the "RoC" and how many in the TRNC......The answer then is quite clear. I have no actual figures for you.

Hey Zan, I am discussing in a civil manner. It was you who said the vast majority of TC's support partition. If there are no real statistics fine just say in my opinion the majority support Union with Turkey. Unless we have clear defined lines we shall never know. The fact that most TC's live in the North does not mean that they would be against restoring the ROC status quo. In fact you said earlier that the majority of TC's voted in favour of the Annan plan which contradicts to your theory.

There is no theory Byron...Just reality. The reality is we are given no real choices by the "RoC" as it stands.....Just like your government represents your views then ours represents ours. Make of that what you will. Reality also tells us that Greece and Turkey have an interest in this also. Ignore it and you will be confused as to what it is that you must do, for ever.


The truth is that more and more TCs are thinking that the Turkish route is the only route and being people that just want to get on with their lives and knowing SOMETHING must give, are resolute to achieve that goal. It is the shutting of the unification door that has caused this. Don't act all so surprised at the outcome.

Frankly I am not surprised by your comments at all. You say ( or my interpretation of your message) that TC's are not given a choice by the Greek Cypriots. If you were given a choice what would be your proposals?

Of course you shouldn't be surprised! You may want to rethink as to why you are not though.


I have proposals that are unachievable as in the return to the Zurich agreement in full as if nothing has happened or the most sensible in that we make a clean break and get on with our lives with those that have lost land to get compensation......realitic compensation, of which my family are one.

What happens in the future as to unification is up to the people of the day and the circumstances...It's time to move on!

With the utmost due respect you are not providing me with any proposals for a political solution. I am not advocating a return to the Zurich Agreements. I agree it is time to move on but under what political mechanisim? that is why I am asking you to provide me with your suggestions of a solution without pre-conditions. Let's kindly hear them ?

I did Byron A clean break. 70/30

Sorry but I do not understand your joke ! Try explaining it with a few more words.

I think you understand Byron

[Byron]

I thought we were discussing this in a civilised manner Byron


There is no answer to your question because the numbers are desputed whichever way they point......The one thing that should help you to solve your problem is to ask how many TCs live in the "RoC" and how many in the TRNC......The answer then is quite clear. I have no actual figures for you.

Hey Zan, I am discussing in a civil manner. It was you who said the vast majority of TC's support partition. If there are no real statistics fine just say in my opinion the majority support Union with Turkey. Unless we have clear defined lines we shall never know. The fact that most TC's live in the North does not mean that they would be against restoring the ROC status quo. In fact you said earlier that the majority of TC's voted in favour of the Annan plan which contradicts to your theory.

There is no theory Byron...Just reality. The reality is we are given no real choices by the "RoC" as it stands.....Just like your government represents your views then ours represents ours. Make of that what you will. Reality also tells us that Greece and Turkey have an interest in this also. Ignore it and you will be confused as to what it is that you must do, for ever.


The truth is that more and more TCs are thinking that the Turkish route is the only route and being people that just want to get on with their lives and knowing SOMETHING must give, are resolute to achieve that goal. It is the shutting of the unification door that has caused this. Don't act all so surprised at the outcome.

Frankly I am not surprised by your comments at all. You say ( or my interpretation of your message) that TC's are not given a choice by the Greek Cypriots. If you were given a choice what would be your proposals?

Of course you shouldn't be surprised! You may want to rethink as to why you are not though.


I have proposals that are unachievable as in the return to the Zurich agreement in full as if nothing has happened or the most sensible in that we make a clean break and get on with our lives with those that have lost land to get compensation......realitic compensation, of which my family are one.

What happens in the future as to unification is up to the people of the day and the circumstances...It's time to move on!

With the utmost due respect you are not providing me with any proposals for a political solution. I am not advocating a return to the Zurich Agreements. I agree it is time to move on but under what political mechanisim? that is why I am asking you to provide me with your suggestions of a solution without pre-conditions. Let's kindly hear them ?

I did Byron A clean break. 70/30

Sorry but I do not understand your joke ! Try explaining it with a few more words.

I think you understand Byron

Quite frankly NO , it could mean many things , we are getting nowhere with these type of replies. Either you explain more or let's just leave it at that. I do not live in Cyprus nor Britain to that matter so I am obviously interested in the latest developments but if you do not wish to explain further that is your prerogative. I have given you an opportunity to explain your wishes without pre-conditions and you reply 70/30. Merci.

[zan]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

[Byron]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

A 7% reduction in land to be given back to the GC's and compensation to be paid to those that lost their homes on both sides with recognition of the TRNC as a seperate state. Have I understood correctly ?

[zan]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

A 7% reduction in land to be given back to the GC's and compensation to be paid to those that lost their homes on both sides with recognition of the TRNC as a seperate state. Have I understood correctly ?

I think so!

[Byron]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

A 7% reduction in land to be given back to the GC's and compensation to be paid to those that lost their homes on both sides with recognition of the TRNC as a seperate state. Have I understood correctly ?

I think so!

So if this was accepted by the GC's we would have a done deal. Am I right ? If so what do other GC's think of this proposal ?

[zan]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

A 7% reduction in land to be given back to the GC's and compensation to be paid to those that lost their homes on both sides with recognition of the TRNC as a seperate state. Have I understood correctly ?

I think so!

So if this was accepted by the GC's we would have a done deal. Am I right ? If so what do other GC's think of this proposal ?

That about sums it up Byron.

[Oracle]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

Oh is this an admittance that you stole too much?

[zan]

Sorry!


The split is 70/30 as opposed to the 37% we hold now. The recognition of the TRNC would be the 30%. Compensation to all that have lost land at current market prices. Thats it really...The rest is up to the two separate countries........Don't really understand what you mean by no preconditions though.......Can it happen without them?

Oh is this an admittance that you stole too much?

You are going to get a bollocking from GR and Kifeas soon for butting in with pointless and damaging questions Stella.

It is my offering....Now what are you going to offer from the government and country you stole.....Do you think that might have been too much???