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[zan]

In any case, I was only answering your question as to why you can't have a financially independent unrecognised state in the north that you would like to see. Since you do not accept my suggestions, why don't you give us your suggestions on how you can achieve what you want without violating any one's Democratic and Human Rights, which I took into consideration in my suggestions. Lets see how well you will do VP with those parameters in place as mentioned above, because it is very easy to make demands as you always do, but you always fail to support Democratic and Human Rights of ALL Cypriots when making those demands.

I have on a number of occassion put my opinions forward, my real intention was get from you any arguement on behalf of the TC people which you did not put forward, I asked you not to try and worm your way out of answering but you did exactly that by answering a question with a question, so in fact you failed to put forward unbiased views and that yout you only support the GCs in their demands.

Thank you VP, for once again proving to us, even with the help of Zan's brain, that you could not answer a simple question put to you, but you are ready to condemn others with their ideas to help solve some of the problems that you yourself would like to see happen. There is no such thing as "free lunch" VP. Don't expect others to do everything for you, if you are not wiling to do anything in return.

Do you have trouble understanding what is said to you.......We have partition and a working two state system with one trying to hold the other back.......Lift the Embargoes and isolation and let us get on with our lives...That is what I hope because it is a sensible way given all the problems. Stop trying to take over the island and make it Greek. Keep what you have gained from persecuting us and at best you might get a 70/30 split. You get use of Turkish ports and all that goes with it and we get a crack at life for the first time in our lives. Understand!!!!

Sorry Zan, but I thought we already said how much we are willing to offer, in order to buy your above proposal, and this is not a 70/30 split that you quoted, but a 97/3 instead. Only 3% is what you are entitled, and we have already explained to you how this figure is obtained. Why do you keep asking for so much more?

It is your prerogative to offer what you like Kifeas........It is ours to tell you to stuff it.....Thats the way making deals work......The problem is you have not quite filled your months quota......Be careful we don't walk away and go to another offer.........

[Byron]

"MrH," the only comment I wish to make is that the scull you picked up as your avatar, very accurately reflects the kind of dead-end ideas you posses, as they appear in the above post and in this forum! They indeed made a really good job on you, and I can only feel sorry for you, for the halusinating utopian stage of world you seem to go through! You have no touch with reality, whatsoever, and a very childish way of thinking!

Kifeas give MrH a chance the majority of what he has put forward is very relevent as do you think we will ever find a solution to force both sides to live united? obviously neither community trusts or wants to live with the other unless it is on their own terms and those terms are unaceeptable to both sides, so the only real alternative is agree partition with added incentives to both sides to encourage them to work side by side as 2 states.

Viewpoint- are you saying that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots are in favour of Partition.

YES because the alternative is clear and would force TCs to live in a GC state run by GCs leaving us exposed with no community rights just classed as another minority, foreigners in our own country.

Viewpoint - kindly please clarify partition- a seperate independent Turkish Cypriot state in Cyprus, union with Turkey as a seperate province or either ?

Partition is what we have now with recognition and Union with Turkey is also we have now with our country being turned into a province and called Turkey.

Viewpoint - Then the majority of TC's are therefore in favour of " Enosis with Turkey" or " Taksim " - as it is known in Turkish; is that correct and if so what % of the population in your opinion would be in favour of this type of solution ?

[Kifeas]

In any case, I was only answering your question as to why you can't have a financially independent unrecognised state in the north that you would like to see. Since you do not accept my suggestions, why don't you give us your suggestions on how you can achieve what you want without violating any one's Democratic and Human Rights, which I took into consideration in my suggestions. Lets see how well you will do VP with those parameters in place as mentioned above, because it is very easy to make demands as you always do, but you always fail to support Democratic and Human Rights of ALL Cypriots when making those demands.

I have on a number of occassion put my opinions forward, my real intention was get from you any arguement on behalf of the TC people which you did not put forward, I asked you not to try and worm your way out of answering but you did exactly that by answering a question with a question, so in fact you failed to put forward unbiased views and that yout you only support the GCs in their demands.

Thank you VP, for once again proving to us, even with the help of Zan's brain, that you could not answer a simple question put to you, but you are ready to condemn others with their ideas to help solve some of the problems that you yourself would like to see happen. There is no such thing as "free lunch" VP. Don't expect others to do everything for you, if you are not wiling to do anything in return.

Do you have trouble understanding what is said to you.......We have partition and a working two state system with one trying to hold the other back.......Lift the Embargoes and isolation and let us get on with our lives...That is what I hope because it is a sensible way given all the problems. Stop trying to take over the island and make it Greek. Keep what you have gained from persecuting us and at best you might get a 70/30 split. You get use of Turkish ports and all that goes with it and we get a crack at life for the first time in our lives. Understand!!!!

Sorry Zan, but I thought we already said how much we are willing to offer, in order to buy your above proposal, and this is not a 70/30 split that you quoted, but a 97/3 instead. Only 3% is what you are entitled, and we have already explained to you how this figure is obtained. Why do you keep asking for so much more?

It is your prerogative to offer what you like Kifeas........It is ours to tell you to stuff it.....Thats the way making deals work......The problem is you have not quite filled your months quota......Be careful we don't walk away and go to another offer.........

Zan, always remember that it is not us that want to sell, but you instead that wants to buy! We have no problem waiting for as long as it takes! We know how to wait, as it is in our DNA. We have waited the Persians for 400 years, the Phoenicians for 300 years, the Arabs for 350 years, the Romans for 400 years, the Ottomans for 300, etc, etc! In the end, they all left, but we have stayed! Remember too, that the 3% we offer you might even be bigger than what Turkey will offer you one day, to relocate you into some remote city of Anatolia.

[zan]

In any case, I was only answering your question as to why you can't have a financially independent unrecognised state in the north that you would like to see. Since you do not accept my suggestions, why don't you give us your suggestions on how you can achieve what you want without violating any one's Democratic and Human Rights, which I took into consideration in my suggestions. Lets see how well you will do VP with those parameters in place as mentioned above, because it is very easy to make demands as you always do, but you always fail to support Democratic and Human Rights of ALL Cypriots when making those demands.

I have on a number of occassion put my opinions forward, my real intention was get from you any arguement on behalf of the TC people which you did not put forward, I asked you not to try and worm your way out of answering but you did exactly that by answering a question with a question, so in fact you failed to put forward unbiased views and that yout you only support the GCs in their demands.

Thank you VP, for once again proving to us, even with the help of Zan's brain, that you could not answer a simple question put to you, but you are ready to condemn others with their ideas to help solve some of the problems that you yourself would like to see happen. There is no such thing as "free lunch" VP. Don't expect others to do everything for you, if you are not wiling to do anything in return.

Do you have trouble understanding what is said to you.......We have partition and a working two state system with one trying to hold the other back.......Lift the Embargoes and isolation and let us get on with our lives...That is what I hope because it is a sensible way given all the problems. Stop trying to take over the island and make it Greek. Keep what you have gained from persecuting us and at best you might get a 70/30 split. You get use of Turkish ports and all that goes with it and we get a crack at life for the first time in our lives. Understand!!!!

Sorry Zan, but I thought we already said how much we are willing to offer, in order to buy your above proposal, and this is not a 70/30 split that you quoted, but a 97/3 instead. Only 3% is what you are entitled, and we have already explained to you how this figure is obtained. Why do you keep asking for so much more?

It is your prerogative to offer what you like Kifeas........It is ours to tell you to stuff it.....Thats the way making deals work......The problem is you have not quite filled your months quota......Be careful we don't walk away and go to another offer.........

Zan, always remember that it is not us that want to sell, but you instead that wants to buy! We have no problem waiting for as long as it takes! We know how to wait, as it is in our DNA. We have waited the Persians for 400 years, the Phoenicians for 300 years, the Arabs for 350 years, the Romans for 400 years, the Ottomans for 300, etc, etc! In the end, they all left, but we have stayed! Remember too, that the 3% we offer you might even be bigger than what Turkey will offer you one day, to relocate you into some remote city of Anatolia.

You are so far into yourself Kifeas that you have no idea what it is to be somebody other than you......As in Kifeas and Greek!!

We are Cypriot too lover........Lets see who blinks first......


As I am into clarity......You are the ones selling??? Does that mean you do not want anything from us??? Then get off my doorstep.. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR CHEAP CRAP!!!

[zan]

In any case, I was only answering your question as to why you can't have a financially independent unrecognised state in the north that you would like to see. Since you do not accept my suggestions, why don't you give us your suggestions on how you can achieve what you want without violating any one's Democratic and Human Rights, which I took into consideration in my suggestions. Lets see how well you will do VP with those parameters in place as mentioned above, because it is very easy to make demands as you always do, but you always fail to support Democratic and Human Rights of ALL Cypriots when making those demands.

I have on a number of occassion put my opinions forward, my real intention was get from you any arguement on behalf of the TC people which you did not put forward, I asked you not to try and worm your way out of answering but you did exactly that by answering a question with a question, so in fact you failed to put forward unbiased views and that yout you only support the GCs in their demands.

Thank you VP, for once again proving to us, even with the help of Zan's brain, that you could not answer a simple question put to you, but you are ready to condemn others with their ideas to help solve some of the problems that you yourself would like to see happen. There is no such thing as "free lunch" VP. Don't expect others to do everything for you, if you are not wiling to do anything in return.

Do you have trouble understanding what is said to you.......We have partition and a working two state system with one trying to hold the other back.......Lift the Embargoes and isolation and let us get on with our lives...That is what I hope because it is a sensible way given all the problems. Stop trying to take over the island and make it Greek. Keep what you have gained from persecuting us and at best you might get a 70/30 split. You get use of Turkish ports and all that goes with it and we get a crack at life for the first time in our lives. Understand!!!!

Sorry Zan, but I thought we already said how much we are willing to offer, in order to buy your above proposal, and this is not a 70/30 split that you quoted, but a 97/3 instead. Only 3% is what you are entitled, and we have already explained to you how this figure is obtained. Why do you keep asking for so much more?

It is your prerogative to offer what you like Kifeas........It is ours to tell you to stuff it.....Thats the way making deals work......The problem is you have not quite filled your months quota......Be careful we don't walk away and go to another offer.........

Zan, always remember that it is not us that want to sell, but you instead that wants to buy! We have no problem waiting for as long as it takes! We know how to wait, as it is in our DNA. We have waited the Persians for 400 years, the Phoenicians for 300 years, the Arabs for 350 years, the Romans for 400 years, the Ottomans for 300, etc, etc! In the end, they all left, but we have stayed! Remember too, that the 3% we offer you might even be bigger than what Turkey will offer you one day, to relocate you into some remote city of Anatolia.

You are so far into yourself Kifeas that you have no idea what it is to be somebody other than you......As in Kifeas and Greek!!

We are Cypriot too lover........Lets see who blinks first......


As I am into clarity......You are the ones selling??? Does that mean you do not want anything from us??? Then get off my doorstep.. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR CHEAP CRAP!!!

One third of Cypriot Greeks believe Cyprus won’t be united again



7 December 2008 | 16:44 | FOCUS News Agency



Nicosia. More than one third of Cypriot Greeks believe that the separated island would be united despite the continuing talks with the mediation of the UN, AFP reports.
A poll, published in the Fileleftheros daily show that about 38% do not expect a solution to be found. Meanwhile 57% believe that a solution would be found during the next two years or when Turkey becomes a member of the EU.

[Kifeas]

You are Cypriots too, Zan??? Since when? All you have kept telling us -including you leader only until a few days ago, was that …there is no one people in Cyprus, but two instead, …that you are a separate people, …that there is not a Cypriot people, …that you are not Cypriots but Turks instead, etc, etc, etc! How easy you change ...Zan, how easy you change the tune of your zorne!

[zan]

You are Cypriots too, Zan??? Since when? All you have kept telling us -including you leader only until a few days ago, was that …there is no one people in Cyprus, but two instead, …that you are a separate people, …that there is not a Cypriot people, …that you are not Cypriots but Turks instead, etc, etc, etc! How easy you change ...Zan, how easy you change the tune of your zorne!

It is your inability to understand reality Kifeas that results in your confusion.

Like most things in life, there is the whole and there are its constituent parts.

When it comes to Cyprus, there is the whole, which is Cypriot and they are made up of two distinct people. One is GC as you know and then there is the TC that you would rather forget.

Your confusion comes when you cannot separate between the real world and your fantasy island. Politics is another factor of your demented views. You see Cyprus is an island and those born there are Cypriot. (Others factors have been left out so as not to confuse you). Then you have the political system in which the "RoC" represents ONLY Greeks and the TRNC represents only Turks (With Cypriot being a sort of by-word).....

In short....I am a Cypriot...A Turk....Part of the TRNC...Not part of the "RoC".....A Turkish Cypriot.....A Brit.....and many other things but my proudest accolade is being a pain in the neck to you and others that think like you...

[Viewpoint]

You are Cypriots too, Zan??? Since when? All you have kept telling us -including you leader only until a few days ago, was that …there is no one people in Cyprus, but two instead, …that you are a separate people, …that there is not a Cypriot people, …that you are not Cypriots but Turks instead, etc, etc, etc! How easy you change ...Zan, how easy you change the tune of your zorne!

Whatever we want to call ourselves is our business and does not change the fact that we to have rights to this island just as much as you do. Or do you deny us this right? Our disputes are yet to be resolved and are the reason why forced division is a far better alternative than forced unification where we could cause each other harm and problems. The structure of how we unite and the compromise that has to be made are they issues to uniting if that is in fact what both communities want, but for me the chasm is to wide and lookis like it is getting wider, we are 2 examples of why there will never be a solution that we can both commit to as what you want and what I want are 2 totally different things. The sooner we all come to terms with this the sooner we can agree partition as both communities will lose in the long run if unification is forced.

[Byron]

"MrH," the only comment I wish to make is that the scull you picked up as your avatar, very accurately reflects the kind of dead-end ideas you posses, as they appear in the above post and in this forum! They indeed made a really good job on you, and I can only feel sorry for you, for the halusinating utopian stage of world you seem to go through! You have no touch with reality, whatsoever, and a very childish way of thinking!

Kifeas give MrH a chance the majority of what he has put forward is very relevent as do you think we will ever find a solution to force both sides to live united? obviously neither community trusts or wants to live with the other unless it is on their own terms and those terms are unaceeptable to both sides, so the only real alternative is agree partition with added incentives to both sides to encourage them to work side by side as 2 states.

Viewpoint- are you saying that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots are in favour of Partition.

YES because the alternative is clear and would force TCs to live in a GC state run by GCs leaving us exposed with no community rights just classed as another minority, foreigners in our own country.

Viewpoint - kindly please clarify partition- a seperate independent Turkish Cypriot state in Cyprus, union with Turkey as a seperate province or either ?

Partition is what we have now with recognition and Union with Turkey is also we have now with our country being turned into a province and called Turkey.

Viewpoint - Then the majority of TC's are therefore in favour of " Enosis with Turkey" or " Taksim " - as it is known in Turkish; is that correct and if so what % of the population in your opinion would be in favour of this type of solution ?

Viewpoint - a reply would be very much appreciated to take the discussion further. Thank you.

[zan]

"MrH," the only comment I wish to make is that the scull you picked up as your avatar, very accurately reflects the kind of dead-end ideas you posses, as they appear in the above post and in this forum! They indeed made a really good job on you, and I can only feel sorry for you, for the halusinating utopian stage of world you seem to go through! You have no touch with reality, whatsoever, and a very childish way of thinking!

Kifeas give MrH a chance the majority of what he has put forward is very relevent as do you think we will ever find a solution to force both sides to live united? obviously neither community trusts or wants to live with the other unless it is on their own terms and those terms are unaceeptable to both sides, so the only real alternative is agree partition with added incentives to both sides to encourage them to work side by side as 2 states.

Viewpoint- are you saying that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots are in favour of Partition.

YES because the alternative is clear and would force TCs to live in a GC state run by GCs leaving us exposed with no community rights just classed as another minority, foreigners in our own country.

Viewpoint - kindly please clarify partition- a seperate independent Turkish Cypriot state in Cyprus, union with Turkey as a seperate province or either ?

Partition is what we have now with recognition and Union with Turkey is also we have now with our country being turned into a province and called Turkey.

Viewpoint - Then the majority of TC's are therefore in favour of " Enosis with Turkey" or " Taksim " - as it is known in Turkish; is that correct and if so what % of the population in your opinion would be in favour of this type of solution ?

Viewpoint - a reply would be very much appreciated to take the discussion further. Thank you.

In 2004, Byron, the TCs voted for unification......We got a big bad OXI from the GCs.....There comes a time when all TCs have to think about giving up on the GCs......We realise that the "RoC" has got its ENOSIS through the EU....Are you asking us to wait for ever???