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Do TCs want to live in a GC state as a minority?

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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:26 pm

Yeppppp....

Running a school would be easy if there were no students....

Running a hospital would be a piece of cake if there were no patients....

Solving the Cyprus problem would take one minute if there were no Turkish Cypriots... :roll: :roll:
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Postby Sotos » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:16 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Solving the Cyprus problem would take one minute if there were no Turkish Cypriots... :roll: :roll:


If the Turks had not invade us there would be no TCs and no problem.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:36 pm

Sotos wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Solving the Cyprus problem would take one minute if there were no Turkish Cypriots... :roll: :roll:


If the Turks had not invade us there would be no TCs and no problem.


True enough,Sotos...

And if the big bang had not happened,none of us would be here... :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:43 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
Sotos wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Solving the Cyprus problem would take one minute if there were no Turkish Cypriots... :roll: :roll:


If the Turks had not invade us there would be no TCs and no problem.


True enough,Sotos...

And if the big bang had not happened,none of us would be here... :wink:


The Big Bang was good! The Turkish Invasions were bad!

I guess it proves: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ....
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Re: Do TCs want to live in a GC state as a minority?

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:08 pm

halil wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Do we TCs really want to live in a state where "majority" GCs rule supreme and you have to deal with GCs in government offices, courts, police, officials where you will always be discriminated to the back of the queue. Minority status is akin to the Indians in the UK, although British citizens they are always at the back of the queue in a country where racism is 1000 times less than in the GC south.

If you say you don't mind and trust GCs to treat you as equals with equal rights with discrimination then why the hell don't you go live in the GC south?


VP,
at 2004 referendum TC's gave their answer .


But that was under a structure we could accept, the GCs rejected it shows that its either their way or no deal.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:10 pm

Paphitis wrote:
AWE wrote:Given that the TCs can move south and get full EU membership benefits, passports, free health care etc but only some 2000 have done so I guess the answer is No.


More and more TCs are choosing to permanently reside in the RoC each year. They are treated as equal citizens to everyone else. So this destroys any angle that VP is attempting to push by posting this thread. :roll:

It is the TCs that are the racists, as they have evicted and unsurped 200,000 GC residents from the occupied areas. They are the ones that have formed an illegal entity founded on discriminatory principles which do not allow the indigenous peoples to return to their rightful homes.


Do you have any independent data or are you just guessing?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:35 am

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Sotos wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Solving the Cyprus problem would take one minute if there were no Turkish Cypriots... :roll: :roll:


If the Turks had not invade us there would be no TCs and no problem.


True enough,Sotos...

And if the big bang had not happened,none of us would be here... :wink:


The Big Bang was good! The Turkish Invasions were bad!

I guess it proves: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ....


Who says the big bang was good???
I bet it felt like hellish inferno!!!To anyone who might have been watching and knew what hellish inferno was!!! :wink: :)
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Postby utu » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:55 am

You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:41 pm

utu wrote:You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...


You are spot on,Utu...And by negotiating a solution now ,Christofias is falling into the Turkish trap....The only solution Turkey will accept is one that is at least as good as the status quo ,or better for Turkey...Anything else defies logic....If Christofias wants to avoid partition he should stop negotiating and invite all the TCs in the North and in the diaspora to return to the ROC under the 1960 agreements....With the understanding that when a minumum,specified number of TCs return a more workable agreement will be negotiated amongst Cypriots...Then it will be Cypriots vs an occupier an her collaborators in the North....Turkey will have little moral ground to stand on...But this is just too outside the square for any politician in the south to seriously consider....But it is the only answer to our predicament...Everything else will lead to partition,on Turkey's terms..
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Postby iceman » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:00 pm

utu wrote:You know, after reading various posts on this forum - as well as recent posts on the ATCA forum, perhaps the question should be: Are TC's willing to live in a TC state as a minority? That seems to be what is happening in the north. The administration there is certainly not acting independently. It just follows the line from Ankara since economically and militarilly, Turkey holds a knife to the throat of the Turkish Cypriot entity. The policy of settling all of those Anatolians while Turkish Cypriots are forced to emigrate has further eroded the north's claims to be an independent and sovereign state. The north is - in effect - a Turkish colony. There's no 'independence' about it.
Those Turkish Cypriots on this forum claiming that their administration is a sovereign government may take issue with that comment, but let me ask you this: yes, Turkey is protecting you and providing an economic lifeline for your administration, but who's interest's are coming first: yours, or Ankara's? Blindly trusting Turkey - I think - is not going to help you in the long run...



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