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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby YFred » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:44 pm

Kifeas wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote:Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears... :)

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?


No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere... :idea:

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve! :roll:


The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir! :wink:

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?


Years ago when I first came on this forum,I thought there was only one way we could foster understanding and empathy and compassion etc...If we criticised our own side and owned up to some of our faults...Then everyone would do the same and soon we would be talking honestly and openly about how silly it all was and we would make progress... so I talked about some of the mistakes of the TMT and some of their strong arm tactics...It took me some time to realise I was only reinforcing most of these peoples prejudices and blinkered brainwashing...Most people here already believed that the pain and suffering of the TCs could be blamed entirely on the TMT, because it was the TMT which forced us into the enclaves to advance Denktas' Taksim dream...It is just too convenient to absolve your side of all the guilt and turn it against your "enemy"...Some honestly have no idea what we went through during 63-74..Others know too well but just simply keep spewing out GC official propaganda in the hope that if you repeat something enough times people will believe it...Others are in total denial,cannot even bring themelves to think their side couldve possibly done what we say they have done...It is too much for their psychology to contemplate it for too long...Then you have a handful of really decent and honorable GCs I will always be proud to call my brothers and compatriots...We should always remember that...


Bir, let me ask you something. Aren't here in this forum, but also in many other forums and websites, TCs who act and behave in exactly the same way as you rightfully present some GCs in this forum to be? You cannot deny this fact, Bir! There are as many GCs -at least in this forum, as there are TCs, who show the same insensitivity and arrogance towards the other side's pain and suffering, as well as the same disregard for their legitimate rights. What should we do then? Should we all start making a mockery of ourselves, by adopting the same equally negative and untruthful attitude, so as to give them a "lesson?" I personally refuse to play such a meaningless game, first out of self respect, and then because I have better things to do in my life. I would rather stay away from such a forum, as much as possible; if as in this case the administrators, for their own reasons, are unable to control what and who is posting in it. Nevertheless, never forget that there is just about the same amount of garbage being posted by TCs, as there is by GCs. If you make a closer observation to such people, most if not all of them are problematic and disturbed individuals, be it GCs or TCs.

ehem ehem.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:49 pm

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dont have to be a TMT supporter, but they did help protect villages from attack by the paramilitaries and others.


the sentance before you say they fire bombed your grand parents house :?



I am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?
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Postby boulio » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:51 pm

am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?


its called bi-polarizm and there is somthing really wrong there if you havent understood yet. :wink:
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Postby boulio » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:52 pm

may i ask why they torched oyur grandparents home?
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Postby growuptcs » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:54 pm

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Growup wrote:Your always asking me to answer your burps. Make a sensibe question to todays times without hatred and I'll answer you honestly as I can. Being a prickly weed to prove your moot points is nothing but pathetic.


Can I play this game too,GU??? I think it will really be a very useful exercise...I promise to answer any of your questions openly and honestly if you do the same...

Here are my key questions:

1...Do you think the TCs were right or wrong in opposing Enosis with Greece? Please explain...

2...What do you know about why and how the TCs lost their rights in the 1960 constitutional government???

3...What do you know about the treatment of the TCs during the 1963-74 period? How do you think they managed to survive for 11 years as "shadow"citizens of the ROC???

4...Why do you think the Coup against Makarios happened in July,74...???

5...What was the implication of the coup for the TCs?

6...Do you think Turkey was justified in coming in the way they did in 74? Please explain...

These will do for now...Any or all GCs,please feel free to reply...


Birk, your asking me the same questions that leads to no where except back to the sixties. This isn't the way to get out of our sticky-wicky, and this isn't the way forward. It's up to mama tourkalla to move on with your life. Its not your call chief, so stop trying to hammer me with your bullshit.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:54 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
boulio wrote:
dont have to be a TMT supporter, but they did help protect villages from attack by the paramilitaries and others.


the sentance before you say they fire bombed your grand parents house :?



I am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?


Yes. EOKA fought first for freedom and secondly for Enosis.

BOTH were for the good of Cyprus and its democratic rights ...
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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:56 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boulio wrote:
dont have to be a TMT supporter, but they did help protect villages from attack by the paramilitaries and others.


the sentance before you say they fire bombed your grand parents house :?



I am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?


Yes. EOKA fought first for Enosis and secondly for Enosis and thirdly two.


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Postby Oracle » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:58 pm

YFred wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:
boulio wrote:
dont have to be a TMT supporter, but they did help protect villages from attack by the paramilitaries and others.


the sentance before you say they fire bombed your grand parents house :?



I am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?


Yes. EOKA fought first for Enosis and secondly for Enosis and thirdly two.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Your stupidities at word changes only diminish the TCs ...
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Postby boulio » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:06 pm

Here are my key questions:

1...Do you think the TCs were right or wrong in opposing Enosis with Greece? Please explain...

2...What do you know about why and how the TCs lost their rights in the 1960 constitutional government???

3...What do you know about the treatment of the TCs during the 1963-74 period? How do you think they managed to survive for 11 years as "shadow"citizens of the ROC???

4...Why do you think the Coup against Makarios happened in July,74...???

5...What was the implication of the coup for the TCs?

6...Do you think Turkey was justified in coming in the way they did in 74? Please explain...

These will do for now...Any or all GCs,please feel free to reply...


1)majority vote t/c wrong

2)municipaty question that led to blocking the budget by t/c that led to makarios 13 points.

3)forced into enclaves by both g/c extremist and tmt(turkish extremist) dont know about conditions but probably better than today.

4)power politics,communism fear, turkish security anything but to protect the t/c that you guys are spoon fed.

5)actually nothing till turkey invaded and the enclaves helped establish bridgehead

6)turkey had the right to intervene(not necasserially military)to establish the elected govt of cyprus which till this day it has not done.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:16 pm

boulio wrote:
am in a position to state both faces of the TMT.

Can you do the same about your paramilitaries?


its called bi-polarizm and there is somthing really wrong there if you havent understood yet. :wink:



I use Li, but not for medicinal purposes clever dick :lol:

Were you looking for the word 'bi-polar'?

The TMT did both good and bad; can you say the same about your paramilitaries or EOKA?
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