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[denizaksulu]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

[YFred]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

How can University educated people not see through that.

[denizaksulu]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

How can University educated people not see through that.

Easily done. When it suits them, they do not see beyond (going back) 1974. There text books only begin with July 1974.

[growuptcs]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

How can University educated people not see through that.

It's not the university educated people the GC's are worried about, its the people that can't walk and chew gum at the same time, that we fear.

[YFred]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

How can University educated people not see through that.

It's not the university educated people the GC's are worried about, its the people that can't walk and chew gum at the same time, that we fear.

That's all fine an dandy but at least answer the question, and I am assuming that you are one of the educted GCs. How do you not see what the roc did in 63 to 74. Can you be so blind? How?

[growuptcs]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

How can University educated people not see through that.

It's not the university educated people the GC's are worried about, its the people that can't walk and chew gum at the same time, that we fear.

That's all fine an dandy but at least answer the question, and I am assuming that you are one of the educted GCs. How do you not see what the roc did in 63 to 74. Can you be so blind? How?

Your always asking me to answer your burps. Make a sensibe question to todays times without hatred and I'll answer you honestly as I can. Being a prickly weed to prove your moot points is nothing but pathetic.

[BirKibrisli]

Now you tell me what you think of the GCs stealing the RoC and going on to get rich on their ill-gained legitimacy at the expence of the TCs...???/
I am all ears...

How exactly did the Greek Cypriots "steal" the RoC if by your own admission…

“…soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition”

...so the TCs abandoned their posts due to the pressure you described by the TMT, in accordance with Turkey's request?

No,the TMT's efforts would never have been enough without the EOKA and Makarios puting the fear of death into us....go and read the Akritas plan carefully..It is all describe in there,how they plotted to sideline the TCs and assume all the power...You are trying your best to be selective with your facts,GR! But it won't work with me...I know both sides of the story,nd I am not biased and prejudiced like you are...You have to admit your guilt and show some remorse for your share of the stupidity..then we might get somewhere...

For a self-confessed bunch of TMT terrorists (your family) you sure got a nerve!

The TMT my family belonged to were not terrorists,they were noble defenders of our lives against fascist EOKA terrorists...Did you have any of those in your family,GR!??? come on,you can tell Unkie Bir!

I don't understand this strange phenomena Bir. The TCs were enclaved protected by TMT. How can Greeks claim that TMT attacked them when each enclave was surrounded. The only way to get out of each village was with un escort. What the hell are these GCs talking about?

Years ago when I first came on this forum,I thought there was only one way we could foster understanding and empathy and compassion etc...If we criticised our own side and owned up to some of our faults...Then everyone would do the same and soon we would be talking honestly and openly about how silly it all was and we would make progress... so I talked about some of the mistakes of the TMT and some of their strong arm tactics...It took me some time to realise I was only reinforcing most of these peoples prejudices and blinkered brainwashing...Most people here already believed that the pain and suffering of the TCs could be blamed entirely on the TMT, because it was the TMT which forced us into the enclaves to advance Denktas' Taksim dream...It is just too convenient to absolve your side of all the guilt and turn it against your "enemy"...Some honestly have no idea what we went through during 63-74..Others know too well but just simply keep spewing out GC official propaganda in the hope that if you repeat something enough times people will believe it...Others are in total denial,cannot even bring themelves to think their side couldve possibly done what we say they have done...It is too much for their psychology to contemplate it for too long...Then you have a handful of really decent and honorable GCs I will always be proud to call my brothers and compatriots...We should always remember that...

[Get Real!]

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

What’s the matter Deniz, don’t you believe in self confessions?

“So dear, bigOz,I owe my exile to Australia to the TMT more than the EOKA...”

[BirKibrisli]

Your always asking me to answer your burps. Make a sensibe question to todays times without hatred and I'll answer you honestly as I can. Being a prickly weed to prove your moot points is nothing but pathetic.

Can I play this game too,GU??? I think it will really be a very useful exercise...I promise to answer any of your questions openly and honestly if you do the same...

Here are my key questions:

1...Do you think the TCs were right or wrong in opposing Enosis with Greece? Please explain...

2...What do you know about why and how the TCs lost their rights in the 1960 constitutional government???

3...What do you know about the treatment of the TCs during the 1963-74 period? How do you think they managed to survive for 11 years as "shadow"citizens of the ROC???

4...Why do you think the Coup against Makarios happened in July,74...???

5...What was the implication of the coup for the TCs?

6...Do you think Turkey was justified in coming in the way they did in 74? Please explain...

These will do for now...Any or all GCs,please feel free to reply...

[BirKibrisli]

They never experienced what the TCs went through 1963 -1974. Thats all. All they know is official RoC brainwashing stuff. End of.

What’s the matter Deniz, don’t you believe in self confessions?

“So dear, bigOz,I owe my exile to Australia to the TMT more than the EOKA...”

Stop being selective with the truth,GR!
That was my personal belief about my personal situation at the time...I have explained it many times since...I was mistaken...It was not the TMT who had organised the assassination attempt on my father,but the local ara commander who had a personal grudge against my father...So that confession is no longer valid...


And don't you think people's long dead fathers should be allowed to rest in peace,and not become fodder for your vile propaganda activities..???