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[BirKibrisli]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

I think it is wishful thinking,dear Kikapu,to believe that communities can just choose to switch off their collective memory and consciousness,especially when that memory is full of trauma,pain and loss...Can you tell me the GCs have done that???Why,we get reminded of the events of 1571 enough times,let alone what happened in our living memory...do you really expect the GCs to move on from he events of 1974 without some sense of fair closure or compensation??? Do you think that is possible??? so why is it that what is good for the goose is not good for the ganda????

[denizaksulu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

[Oracle]

I think it is wishful thinking,dear Kikapu,to believe that communities can just choose to switch off their collective memory ...

It's not all or nothing with "memory". As a sentient being, you can choose to learn from aspects of the past without contaminating future generations with your negativity. The tempered psyche is a wonderful thing ...

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

North Cyprus and roc is given, but UK? Known mass murderers running around free in UK really Deniz. We are talking this universe I hope.

[denizaksulu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

North Cyprus and roc is given, but UK? Known mass murderers running around free in UK really Deniz. We are talking this universe I hope.

Yfred; in your question you did not ask for mass murderers. Stop changing the goalposts..please

Bush and his bitch, Tony Blair. .

[Kikapu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

I think it is wishful thinking,dear Kikapu,to believe that communities can just choose to switch off their collective memory and consciousness,especially when that memory is full of trauma,pain and loss...Can you tell me the GCs have done that???Why,we get reminded of the events of 1571 enough times,let alone what happened in our living memory...do you really expect the GCs to move on from he events of 1974 without some sense of fair closure or compensation??? Do you think that is possible??? so why is it that what is good for the goose is not good for the ganda????

I said one cannot forget the past, even if they tried, Bir. The question is whether to stay in the past or move forward. This is why I believe it is up to the leaders of each community to bring their people to acceptable solution where the communities will trust it as being Just & Fair. Cyprus being in the EU, there cannot be a solution acceptable to the majority if they see that their rights are going to be violated, even if the EU were to give the go ahead for such a settlement, which they have already said they will not allow it..

I'll let the GCs speak for themselves on your question whether they will be willing to move forward from the events of 1974, but if I were to venture a guess, I would say they are willing as long as we have a Fair & Just settlement where they do not feel like part of their country is lost to the TCs to become pure TC land as in the form of a Confederation, because if that were to happen, there is no guarantee that the north will just not ask to become an independent country and divorce from the Union, or not have Turkey try to control the whole island through the north state. Both are not what the GCs will be interested in. This is why, a True Federation is where they will feel more comfortable, because both the north and the south states will still belong to all the Cypriots regardless if the TCs are the majority in the north and the GCs the majority in the south. But this can only happen with full Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles, which the TCs (Turkey) are against it at this point.

The GCs are in far better place to accept a Fair & Just solution as I've described above, because the RoC is in the EU. It is the TCs who feel that a Fair & Just settlement will not give them their own separate country in Cyprus and that all their efforts for the last 50 years all had been in vein. If they had more desires to become Cypriots and have all the communities in Cyprus live together as one citizens in one country so to build a better future for all, then we can have a Fair & Just peace that we can benefit all. You may say this is wishful thinking on my part , but we have already seen the results of what you think is more ideal solution to start with, the Annan Plan, which was totally Unfair & Unjust for the majority of Cypriots, and now that Cyprus is in the EU, Annan Plan type of a plan does not stand a chance in the world to be accepted by the GCs.

Now lets hear from the GCs in what they say to your question.!

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

North Cyprus and roc is given, but UK? Known mass murderers running around free in UK really Deniz. We are talking this universe I hope.

Yfred; in your question you did not ask for mass murderers. Stop changing the goalposts..please

Bush and his bitch, Tony Blair. .

No, that is changing the subject. We are talking about mass or ordinary murderers known to the Attorney General and no action taken against them. Ministers referring to them as the untouchables. You know exactly what I mean and are trying to cloud the issue.

[denizaksulu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

North Cyprus and roc is given, but UK? Known mass murderers running around free in UK really Deniz. We are talking this universe I hope.

Yfred; in your question you did not ask for mass murderers. Stop changing the goalposts..please

Bush and his bitch, Tony Blair. .

No, that is changing the subject. We are talking about mass or ordinary murderers known to the Attorney General and no action taken against them. Ministers referring to them as the untouchables. You know exactly what I mean and are trying to cloud the issue.

I was not deliberately clouding the issues. Once I answer, the variables change. You are difficult to satisfy.

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

Thats gonna be difficult. The north of Cyprus!! or are you excluding that.?

The UK to begin with.

North Cyprus and roc is given, but UK? Known mass murderers running around free in UK really Deniz. We are talking this universe I hope.

Yfred; in your question you did not ask for mass murderers. Stop changing the goalposts..please

Bush and his bitch, Tony Blair. .

No, that is changing the subject. We are talking about mass or ordinary murderers known to the Attorney General and no action taken against them. Ministers referring to them as the untouchables. You know exactly what I mean and are trying to cloud the issue.

I was not deliberately clouding the issues. Once I answer, the variables change. You are difficult to satisfy.

It's not that dificult. Find me a democratic country that has done the same as roc for the past 40 years. Took steps to destroy the republic and enosise it with greece and then protected the murderers.

[EPSILON]

hmmmm. I wonder who is going to the first one to admit to being a "dummy" to believe the rubbish written in this thread.

We've heard a lot of rubbish coming out of the Greek side but this one really takes the biscuit.

I bet you had the GReek flag wrapped around your shoulders when you wrote your "master piece" oracle.

The Greek flag my friend was used and still be used by several people - Your nation's disaster was and is coming when it was and will be used by the CORRECT PEOPLE.!!!!