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[denizaksulu]

Do you understand the difference between the Turks destroying us and the GCs doing the same?

Sorry but i dont either way it means the end of the tc race, and the turks invaded because we where doing that ( so they say )

so it makes them no better then you claim us to be.

where as we would not kill you off like you claim and turkey is going to and even doing so.

Palio you forget we are Turkish not Greek.

OK, OK we got it, you are Turkish so the Turkish knife is sweater than the Greek knife if you are to be killed, or kicked out of here.

Wrong there is no Turkish knife just a Gc one, so even you can work out these threats of being wiped out by Turks is a joke and has no effect on us.

Are you playing stupid? Read what YOU wrote.

Hello the word was used because Palio thinks they are destroying us but in fact we think of it as returning to our original roots, the destroying would be done by GCs which with whom we do not share the same roots and have experience of their real intentions.

Actually you are becoming insignifigant minorities in some foreign countries mostly in the UK, but if it suits ou to beleive you are returning to your original roots so be it.
We are eagerly waiting the date all of you will return to their Orignal roots.

No need for a date look north 500.000 and growing...tick tock.

tick tick what? Now your construction industry is over, and with all the embargoes still firmly in place how are you going to feet them? I see you eating each other soon Your future:



Seems very bright, doesn't it?

Thank you Sotos;

At least one Greek admits that 'Embargoes' are in place. You should be on the 'truth commission'.

[Epiktitos]

At least one Greek admits that 'Embargoes' are in place. You should be on the 'truth commission'.

Let's do a deal - we'll admit embargoes if you admit invasion (rather than "peace operation").

[denizaksulu]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

There are no words to describe the revulsion I feel,DT..We can only bow our heads and think about the human condition,and what on earth makes people behave like animals or worse in certain circumstances...
Reading about the abortions,I had a thought. Is it possible that some of these women actually gave birth to some of these children..Perhaps some couldn't bring themselves to abort their babies for religious or other grounds..I wonder...

I too, go along with Bir's sentiments of horror and disgust. I cant even bear to write or ask about these poor girls/women - the thought that these actions took place 'in our name'. With all the evidence compiled, why is there no 'Nurenberg' style trial taking place. I also do appreciate that living witnesses will be most reluctant to testify, but there are UN reposts and also the medical reports too.

All these monsters, on both siders should be identified and stand trial. Only then we will all have 'closure' and move forward..

[denizaksulu]

At least one Greek admits that 'Embargoes' are in place. You should be on the 'truth commission'.

Let's do a deal - we'll admit embargoes if you admit invasion (rather than "peace operation").

Of course. A 'peace operation' allegedly, which was a disguise for 'Invasion'.

[Pyrpolizer]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

That is a horrific story,Pyro...I am so sorry to hear it...We knew about the stories of course,always told it was GC propaganda...Given the exalted status of the Turkish Army amongst the people,we were ready to dismiss the reports...The feeling was that Turkish soldiers were noble warriors,they couldn't possibly commit such acts of monstrocity...
What I wonder now is,what if anything was done to treat the emotional trauma of these women? How did it effect their lives,and what do their families know about the crimes committed against them? Could these people ever forgive this violation against them??? And how much of the bitterness and hatred they must've felt was passed onto their children?

Indeed dear Bir. Perhaps this is the only thing they never used for propaganda purposes. When I first brought up this matter on this forum a long time ago I was schocked from the response of some TC members was in line with your underlined part...

How it affected their life? Who knows? There was only one woman who ever appeared publicly on TV, she was rejected by her own family, she was labeled "whore" by her own people...

[Epiktitos]

With all the evidence compiled, why is there no 'Nurenberg' style trial taking place. I also do appreciate that living witnesses will be most reluctant to testify, but there are UN reposts and also the medical reports too.

Because turkey acts as if they are still an empire, and that might (or in this case, bluster) makes right. If they still use excuses like "killings happened on all sides", "modern turkey is not the ottoman empire", and my personal favourite: "the crime of genocide had not been defined in the 1920's hence it couldn't have been genocide" to avoid admitting the genocides against the various non-turkish ottoman populations that occurred towards the end of the ottoman empire, how will they possibly admit to war crimes that were committed by people still alive and possibly in high government and military positions?

This is why turkey is loathed by those who have been her recent victims, and why there is no closure and scant progress on what appear to outsiders to be minor issues (and let's face it, to outsiders viewing this through the prism of 20th century conflict, the 1974 "peace operation" was a minor matter).

[Sotos]

Thank you Sotos;

At least one Greek admits that 'Embargoes' are in place. You should be on the 'truth commission'.

There are imaginary embargoes for an imaginary country. Think of it this way: Even if you imagine you are a bird ... you will still not be able to fly, so then you must also imagine that somebody must have cut your wings ... or you must a be a chicken .... or a Turkey

[denizaksulu]

Thank you Sotos;

At least one Greek admits that 'Embargoes' are in place. You should be on the 'truth commission'.

There are imaginary embargoes for an imaginary country. Think of it this way: Even if you imagine you are a bird ... you will still not be able to fly, so then you must also imagine that somebody must have cut your wings ... or you must a be a chicken .... or a Turkey

I hate it when paople make a statement and then go on to change the goal posts.

Sodof Sotos. you are not suitable to be on the truth commission.

[Pyrpolizer]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

There are no words to describe the revulsion I feel,DT..We can only bow our heads and think about the human condition,and what on earth makes people behave like animals or worse in certain circumstances...
Reading about the abortions,I had a thought. Is it possible that some of these women actually gave birth to some of these children..Perhaps some couldn't bring themselves to abort their babies for religious or other grounds..I wonder...

Yes some humans are animals... Have you noticed what some other humans were doing at those 3 TC villages? Disgusting...

Now regarding your question I heard of one case in Larnaca. The girl was 19 and she gave birth to twins. She too was REJECTED by her own family. She gave birth inside an abandoned garage, the newborn were screaming, the mother had not eaten for days, a rich lady got in to see what was happening.. The rich lady took care of the girl and the babies for some months.Then she took her by the hand and went to find her parents and family, to talk to them. They both just escaped been beaten up. None of her family wanted her back. In the end the rich lady adopted both the girl and the twins.

[Pyrpolizer]

Here's a relevant youtube video regarding the rapes. Very hard to find documentary evidence for the reasons i said before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaPcUrNfRDI