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[Malapapa]

Thanks but no thanks, your crumbs are not for us, everyone appears to take our views into consideration without our yes you have nothing, no solution no land no depaerture of soldiers or settlers...nothing. We can wait we are here for the long haul, recognition or even an easing of the isolation which the EU and Un have both acknowledge will come as long as you maintain your current despot and arrogant stance.

Yeah go ahead and elect Ertoglu, that will suffice.

Glad you feel that way he appears to be ahead in teh polls, hes a great supporter to 2 independent states.

Which ones? Turkey and Azerbaijan?

[Viewpoint]

Thanks but no thanks, your crumbs are not for us, everyone appears to take our views into consideration without our yes you have nothing, no solution no land no depaerture of soldiers or settlers...nothing. We can wait we are here for the long haul, recognition or even an easing of the isolation which the EU and Un have both acknowledge will come as long as you maintain your current despot and arrogant stance.

Yeah go ahead and elect Ertoglu, that will suffice.

Glad you feel that way he appears to be ahead in teh polls, hes a great supporter of 2 independent states.

Which ones? Turkey and Azerbaijan?

"RoC" and TRNC

[Malapapa]

Thanks but no thanks, your crumbs are not for us, everyone appears to take our views into consideration without our yes you have nothing, no solution no land no depaerture of soldiers or settlers...nothing. We can wait we are here for the long haul, recognition or even an easing of the isolation which the EU and Un have both acknowledge will come as long as you maintain your current despot and arrogant stance.

Yeah go ahead and elect Ertoglu, that will suffice.

Glad you feel that way he appears to be ahead in teh polls, hes a great supporter of 2 independent states.

Which ones? Turkey and Azerbaijan?

"RoC" and TRNC

The Organised Republic of Northern Crime has as much chance of being recognised as an independent state as Narnia.

[BirKibrisli]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

That is a horrific story,Pyro...I am so sorry to hear it...We knew about the stories of course,always told it was GC propaganda...Given the exalted status of the Turkish Army amongst the people,we were ready to dismiss the reports...The feeling was that Turkish soldiers were noble warriors,they couldn't possibly commit such acts of monstrocity...
What I wonder now is,what if anything was done to treat the emotional trauma of these women? How did it effect their lives,and what do their families know about the crimes committed against them? Could these people ever forgive this violation against them??? And how much of the bitterness and hatred they must've felt was passed onto their children?

[BirKibrisli]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

There are no words to describe the revulsion I feel,DT..We can only bow our heads and think about the human condition,and what on earth makes people behave like animals or worse in certain circumstances...
Reading about the abortions,I had a thought. Is it possible that some of these women actually gave birth to some of these children..Perhaps some couldn't bring themselves to abort their babies for religious or other grounds..I wonder...

[BirKibrisli]

Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
[/b]
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Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

I was right all along. I have been saying this fact for years. You are not "partners" but a small ethnic minority who is collaborating with foreign imperialists in order to extract gains you do not deserve on the expense of the Cypriot people.

This attitude of yours is what scares me,Piratis..What made me change my mind about the type of solution I can support for the TCs...There is so much bittereness and vengence in your voice there...You know what it says to me??? WAIT TILL WE GET YOU WHERE WE WANT YOU,YOU LITTLE BASTARDS,WE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT IS WHAT...

[repulsewarrior]

You can't claim the Tcs have no power in the north and with the same breath claim that it's all their fault, sunny Jim.
Keep on believing that. When will you get it into your thick heads, that the settlers are not organized or united to have an effect on the elections. It's the TCs that will give you the two finger salute, because they are sick to death of your mentality, maturity(lack of), petty politics and your intransigence.
Tut Tut Tut.

This is not what I said. I claimed they made FATAL mistakes FIRST, and they pay for them LATER.
Now you tell me the settlers are not organized YET, to have their OWN people on power which is partially wrong anyway, but a)Slowly slowly they will do that too and in the meantime b) they chose an idiot among the TCs to do the job for them.

In the same breath you tell us it is not the settlers who will put Eroglu on power it is the TCs. So here you go, you are now trying to convince us the TCs are so stupid as to do their last FATAL mistake.

Bravo Fredy!!

Now, don't go around accusing TCs of being stupid.

What were GCs when they voted TPapa on a peace ticket? Stupidity seems to be prevalent in much larger numbers in the south as well as this forum, I might add, what?

Hey, hey wasn't that idiot who asked the UN to start immediate negotiations on the Anan Plan while Denktash refused to even discuss it?

Yep, knowing that Dengtash wouldn't attend, but the stupid fool then got snookered when he found Talat in front him and then insisted that he would not attend unless Dengtash was there. I tell you, how stupid one has to be, to become roc muhtari.
But here is the real stupid part which not even you you guys haven't fathomed yet. He will go down in the annals of history as the only muhtarisimo to negotiate a peace plan and to recommend his people to vote against it. Now that is unique, and so is the number of forumers who thought the world of him. Now I use the word unique in the widest possible sense.

...interesting, Denktash and TPap on the same side of the table, pleading with Talat to call for a delay in that referendum; why?

...interesting, the failure of the "Turkish Cypriot" machine; one would think that the result would have been an even larger majority.

...interesting, Annan 5, unread by most because it was pushed through with so little debate in backrooms, a revision that was made just before the vote, yet it is held so shamelessly by Turkey as a democratic act rejected by "Greeks"?

[Oracle]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

That is a horrific story,Pyro...I am so sorry to hear it...We knew about the stories of course,always told it was GC propaganda...Given the exalted status of the Turkish Army amongst the people,we were ready to dismiss the reports...The feeling was that Turkish soldiers were noble warriors,they couldn't possibly commit such acts of monstrocity...
What I wonder now is,what if anything was done to treat the emotional trauma of these women? How did it effect their lives,and what do their families know about the crimes committed against them? Could these people ever forgive this violation against them??? And how much of the bitterness and hatred they must've felt was passed onto their children?

Most people accept some things are irreversible. What is 100% reversible and possible, though, is to remove the Turkish troops from Cyprus and guarantee that they can NEVER return ...

Never mind "hatred" being passed on; a mother must teach her children to beware of snakes and other dangers as a means to survival. Ensuring they don't tolerate Human Rights abusers is also a good lesson for life.

But, I wonder what those Turkish soldiers have taught their children? I wonder how those TCs living off the pain of 100s and thousands of GCs teach their children about rights and wrongs?

When will the Turk-TCs be shown by their leaders what a mess they have made?

[DT.]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

There are no words to describe the revulsion I feel,DT..We can only bow our heads and think about the human condition,and what on earth makes people behave like animals or worse in certain circumstances...
Reading about the abortions,I had a thought. Is it possible that some of these women actually gave birth to some of these children..Perhaps some couldn't bring themselves to abort their babies for religious or other grounds..I wonder...

I only know of those that went to the General Hospital Bir, considering the shame in the matter for these poor women I'd imagine many were shipped off to monasteries to give birth to these babies.

[Oracle]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

There are no words to describe the revulsion I feel,DT..We can only bow our heads and think about the human condition,and what on earth makes people behave like animals or worse in certain circumstances...
Reading about the abortions,I had a thought. Is it possible that some of these women actually gave birth to some of these children..Perhaps some couldn't bring themselves to abort their babies for religious or other grounds..I wonder...

Only a racist could ponder that one!

Is it the thought that all humanity will enjoy some seeded Turkish genes?

The only difference in such a child would be its healthier nurturing environment ... away from a cultural acceptance that such violations are necessary to ensure "PEACE".