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[DT.]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

[Pyrpolizer]

ON A SIDE NOTE, I HOPE THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT CONCENTRATE ON THIS:

There is absolutely no official names record for the rapes. The obvious reason is because the victims should have been protected from publicity. I am sure you all know how precious the virginity of a woman was at those days.It was almost impossible for non virgins to find a husband...

There were rumors for some girls and women at my neighborhood after 1974 that they were raped by the Turks. NONE of them today lives in Cyprus, they all emmigrated. Accidental???
I still remember one woman at her 40s with 3 children. She was among the enclaved while her husband was shipped captive in Turkey for a few months. That woman was having crises all the time, screaming hysterically she wanted to go back to her "pashias". Rumors said she and other women from the same village were used as whores and were forced to take drugs to participate in the orgy. Today she and her family live in Australia.

The biggest evidence however came from my own mother who was a nurse at the Nicosia General hospital. In late 1974 Klerides legalized the abortions to give the chance to all those who were raped to have a safe medical care.. I can never forget the horror on my mothers face coming home and telling us "My God they brought another 100 of those girls today"

My mother in law (a doctor at the General then) carried out most of these abortions with another doctor. She has files and files of data on these rape victims. She was fresh from finishing her residency in the UK and this was her first contact with Cyprus. An advancing army leaving behind mass graves and raped girls.

Most probably my mother (RIP) and your mother in law knew each other DT!
Given the fact that the fertile days for a woman are only 3 each month imagine how many more the victims were there, compared to those who were having abortions.

And then we have YFred telling us:

Considering there were 50000 Turkish soldiers and UN has records of 200 odd rape incidences, are you not creating a mountain out of a mole hill,

[Oracle]

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Why has there been no action,on both sides,to find those responsible for the attrocities and punish them?
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If Afrika is to be believed, the RoC Attorney General's Office is currently conducting an investigation into a complaint filed by relatives of those murdered in the villages of Maratha, Sandalaris and Aloa (names as they appear on my English-language map of Cyprus) in 1974.

Tim, I am sure there were TC survivors (at least one) who lived to tell what happened. One TC male pretended to be dead amongst the bodies. What ever happened with his testimony ?

It is all written In Sevgul Ulutag book. Some GC perverts used those 3 villages as their whore place. They were even sodomizing on TC boys. When they saw the invaders advancing they decided to wipe off the 3 villages to erase evidence.
The result? 1000s of under-aged GC girls were raped by the Turks in revenge.

The dates are wrong for this to be any form of "revenge" by Turks. More likely the other way around, or am I missing something?

Please reconsider your comment re: the dates. A lot of Greek reports say the Murataga/Sandallar massacre happened at or immediately after the TA actions. The rape of the young Greek girls can only have taken place after the military actions stopped/ceasefire.IMO.

Forgive me Deniz, but I assumed that July came before August. The dates I had in mind were that the Turkish Invasion and its horrors started on the 20th July 1974 and the villagers were killed, according to halil:

He went on saying that they were taken from their homes on the 14th of August after being told by the Greek Cypriots that they were moving to a safer place.

“However women and children were later killed in persecution” he added.

Dodgy dayes? Perhaps. Then we will have to find out the dates for the rapes. Its all horrible.

Lanet olsun.

Dodgy days? One or two days here and there perhaps, but there is a huge expanse between the initial Invasion on the 20th July and the normally accepted dates, as verified by halil, of 14th August and after. Or are you disputing that they even happened after the 20th July; perhaps pre-invasion? Now that would require fresh evidence ...

No Oracle, I am not disputing that these terrible things ever happened. We know the dates of the massacres at Murataga and Sandallar, lets have some dates for the rapes of the Greek girls. You are suggesting that Pyros assertions are wrong. I am trying to see how?

From what I understand, the allegation (by Sevgul Ulutag, ref: Pyrpolyzer) is that the GC girls were only raped by the Turkish soldiers as "revenge" for the Sandaller/Murutaga incidence. We now agree that the TC-village killings occurred on or about 14th August 1974. Ergo the GC women + girls were not raped by Turkish soldiers as "revenge" because these rapes (at least some) were catalogued as having happened before the TC-village killings.

For example there were reports of GC women being raped by at least 8th August 1974 ...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=471326

[Pyrpolizer]

When I said "in revenge" i was actually referring to those who were raped after the Murataga incident. Yet I am not sure how many (if any of them) were raped in revenge- i just assumed that a number of them were raped in revenge, it was my personal opinion... I never disputed the fact that there were rapes all along the period from July to December 1974....

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Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
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Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

[Piratis]

Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
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Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

I was right all along. I have been saying this fact for years. You are not "partners" but a small ethnic minority who is collaborating with foreign imperialists in order to extract gains you do not deserve on the expense of the Cypriot people.

[Oracle]

When I said "in revenge" i was actually referring to those who were raped after the Murataga incident. Yet I am not sure how many (if any of them) were raped in revenge- i just assumed that a number of them were raped in revenge, it was my personal opinion... I never disputed the fact that there were rapes all along the period from July to December 1974....

Then the "revenge" motive is irrelevant because rape was being carried out in advance, by the Turkish troops, and regardless of the Murataga/Sandallar killings and so further rape would have occurred anyway. But the converse, if the TC-village killers also carried out rape, could be true with a "revenge" motive for previous raping of GC women+girls.

I'm not justifying nor condoning any of these by the way and condemn all these crimes, equally!

It's just worth straightening out.

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Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
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Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

I was right all along. I have been saying this fact for years. You are not "partners" but a small ethnic minority who is collaborating with foreign imperialists in order to extract gains you do not deserve on the expense of the Cypriot people.

This is the crux of the Cyprus problem Gcs do not see us as equal partners but as just another minority and they expect us to give up the TRNC so the can take away all our rights and reduce us to minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

[Piratis]

Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
[/b]
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Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

I was right all along. I have been saying this fact for years. You are not "partners" but a small ethnic minority who is collaborating with foreign imperialists in order to extract gains you do not deserve on the expense of the Cypriot people.

This is the crux of the Cyprus problem Gcs do not see us as equal partners but as just another minority and they expect us to give up the TRNC so the can take away all our rights and reduce us to minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

The crux of the problem is that since you came to our island you are oppressing us and you are having gains and privileges on our expense.

We are not living in the time of the Ottomans anymore and you can not have such privileges on our expense. It is about time to let Cyprus to be ruled democratically by its own people. You can have your one vote each as well, and nobody will deny to you your human or minority rights.

I do not expect you to do anything and I do not expect to ever come to any agreement with a criminal like yourself. I know very well that you want to steal our lands and take our rights. I don't expect that you will voluntarily accept anything else. We all know that you will not, so why do you keep telling us what has been obvious to us for centuries? You think we are stupid and we have not understood your intentions yet?

However we will continue to fight for justice and freedom and be certain that justice will in the end prevail and your illegal occupation will end either you like it or not.

[DT.]

Piratis

[b]You were [b]NOT supposed to be "partners in a Republic". You were supposed to be equal citizens, part of an ethnic minority, just like the Muslims/Turks of Greece or Bulgaria, the Greeks in Turkey, or any other minority in any other country. Why should you be "partners" and those others should not? Whats is so special about your tiny community? [/b]
[/b]
.

Everyone please take not if we are not seen as equal partners then there is nothing left to discuss obviously Rauf Denktas was right all along.

I was right all along. I have been saying this fact for years. You are not "partners" but a small ethnic minority who is collaborating with foreign imperialists in order to extract gains you do not deserve on the expense of the Cypriot people.

This is the crux of the Cyprus problem Gcs do not see us as equal partners but as just another minority and they expect us to give up the TRNC so the can take away all our rights and reduce us to minority status in a GC state run by GCs.

Give up the "trnc" and all those rights