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[Kikapu]

An excellent post Kikapu. You have articualted your thoughts well. I agree that empathy can't come from the bottom up. It is up to our leaders to demonstrate that they are prepared for peace and to work together for a better future for Cyprus.

If our leaders demostrate that we can move on, to forgive, to look to the future then the people will follow.

Thanks, Mikkie2

I agree, that in time of war, empathy and understanding is the last thing that is on peoples mind to offer the "enemy". They are too busy licking their own wounds. It has always been that way throughout history. It can only come from the top before peace is achieved, and so far, Talat has refused to meet Christofias half way. Those of us at the bottom can only give empathy and understanding once there is an agreed settlement where everyone's rights are respected. I wish it was the other way around as my friend Bir would like it to be, but it is not the case, or else it would have happened already by now, society wide. It hasn't.!

There is always empathy extended to the common TC, and I don't believe there is any malice or hatred between the common GC and TC populace. What does not exist is the type of empathy and understanding that Bir preaches, because he seems to equate empathy and understanding with total GC surrender and capitulation where a Confederacy is accepted, Turkish troops are allowed to stay, which means I can only assume that he would also approve of Greece also deploying a division or 2, and where the TCs are granted a "special status" until there is such time they begin to trust us "evil" GCs which you and I know will never be forthcoming because the TCs will be hell bent on maintaining this "special status" which can only bread resentment down the track, and then who knows.

We have a country under occupation. As a tiny nation, we are only able to continue fighting against this occupation by using the EU card against Turkey, and hoping that one day, the UN, EU or some other power will get motivated enough to end the suffering of ALL Cypriots, or until Turkey is motivated enough to compromise in order to achieve its desired(?) EU membership.

Kikapu, you know very well that we GCs do understand your suffering as a hostage at Kaimakli, and that you were then forced to leave Cyprus for a better future, and for that we truly sympathize and are massively regretful because Cyprus lost a great son...

Empathy and understanding on individual basis extended to another individual is only being human, Paphitis. I'm sure even Hitler must have wondered what he was doing to the Jews at some point in his life. Maybe just before he put a bullet to his own head. But when the war is still on going in Cyprus, and I do use the word "war", because we do not have a peaceful settlement but only a "peaceful existence" by force while many Cypriots Human Rights are violated each and every day today, therefore one shouldn't expect empathy and understanding of the other side collectively by each community when they see their own Human Rights are violated every day. If that were to be the case, peaceful settlement would have been reached already. It hasn't.

As much as I appreciate your own sentiments of my past experiences in Cyprus and Küçük Kaymakli in particular, I'm no special case, Paphitis. Many thousands had similar experiences and many thousands "special sons and daughters" have been lost to Cyprus from both communities. I have moved on with my life from those days and now looking into the future and not the past. I use to use this phrase a lot in the past, which was, "I never liked history, because there's no future in it". You have to play with the words to understand what I mean. I have dealt with my past. It is the future that I'm more concerned with. Now, there are people who genuinely are stuck in the past and have a very difficult time to move forward which may need the help of all of us, and then there are those who use the past for propaganda purposes only. We all know who the propagandist are here on the forum, so there's no need to mention names. Times of the past cannot be compares to the times of today. All societies needs to move away from the past if they want a better future . Look at Europe's transition in the last 100 years to where they are today. It has gotten better and better. If one does not change with the times, they will just get left behind, which has been the case in Cyprus also, where half the island has moved forward and the other half has remained behind.! It is time for the other half to come into the future.!

[Oracle]

I have moved on with my life from those days and now looking into the future and not the past. I use to use this phrase a lot in the past, which was, "I never liked history, because there's no future in it". You have to play with the words to understand what I mean. I have dealt with my past. It is the future that I'm more concerned with. Now, there are people who genuinely are stuck in the past and have a very difficult time to move forward which may need the help of all of us, and then there are those who use the past for propaganda purposes only. We all know who the propagandist are here on the forum, so there's no need to mention names. Times of the past cannot be compares to the times of today. All societies needs to move away from the past if they want a better future . Look at Europe's transition in the last 100 years to where they are today. It has gotten better and better. If one does not change with the times, they will just get left behind, which has been the case in Cyprus also, where half the island has moved forward and the other half has remained behind.! It is time for the other half to come into the future.!

What a great message!

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

[Kikapu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

[Kikapu]

I have moved on with my life from those days and now looking into the future and not the past. I use to use this phrase a lot in the past, which was, "I never liked history, because there's no future in it". You have to play with the words to understand what I mean. I have dealt with my past. It is the future that I'm more concerned with. Now, there are people who genuinely are stuck in the past and have a very difficult time to move forward which may need the help of all of us, and then there are those who use the past for propaganda purposes only. We all know who the propagandist are here on the forum, so there's no need to mention names. Times of the past cannot be compares to the times of today. All societies needs to move away from the past if they want a better future . Look at Europe's transition in the last 100 years to where they are today. It has gotten better and better. If one does not change with the times, they will just get left behind, which has been the case in Cyprus also, where half the island has moved forward and the other half has remained behind.! It is time for the other half to come into the future.!

What a great message!

Thanks Oracle. To me, it is only common sense, but to some, maybe not.!

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

[denizaksulu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

Yfred; please put a smile on my face and say the north is criminal free.

Deniz, of course it is not. But it is also not recognised as the official government either. The roc is. How many other countries do you know that are democratic and allow known murderers to roam the streets free for decades. Now you put a smile to my face and say one.

[Kikapu]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

I've learned that it is a waste of time talking with you because you are not able to focus and that you like to jump from subject to subject without understanding the last one.!

[YFred]

Kicks old boy, try this one for size. How can you work out where you are going to, if you don't know where you have come from? You can ignore the past or learn from it. Take your pick.

YFred, no one is asking anyone to forget the past. It is an impossible task to do even if one wanted to. Only when one is dead they can "forget" the past.. All I'm saying is, don't be stuck in it because it has no future. It only serve the propagandists for partition, and even that has not worked. They have only prevented the TCs to develop into an “honest society” from the “corrupted society” they have been forced to become in the hands of the Fascist NeoPartitionist today, and will continue worsen as long as these people have a strangle hold on the TCs by preventing them to move into the 21st century Europe where Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles have become a cohesive ingredients that has kept the peace and the development of individual country’s economy and society to become strong..!

Tell me something, YFred, when you drive your car, do you drive by looking ahead most of the time or do you only look in the rear-view mirror to know as to where you have been. Of course you look in front of you with an occasional glance into the rear-view mirror, but your 99.9% concentration is looking what’s ahead and not what you have already past.!

In London, you do both. In fact its drummed into you before the test. You have to be aware of what is behind you at all times.

Do you know where you have come from and where you are going to. What have you learn from your past regarding the roc.

After harbouring hundreds of criminals for decades in the roc, are you not even embarrassed about your political position?

I've learned that it is a waste of time talking with you because you are not able to focus and that you like to jump from subject to subject without understanding the last one.!

The irony of all ironies. You just skipped the subject. Please tell us how you feel about the roc allowing murderers to roam free in the free areas. Or is that what the "Free Areas" means?
You could have also chosen to answer the question I posed to Deniz, but ignored. You really do need a wee bit of help on concentration as well as OCD, old man, what?