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[denizaksulu]

The talk in the motion is about minority rights, not human rights. It also says "This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it".

The Turks have annihilated the Greeks from Imbros, Tenedos and the coast of Asia Minor. They have also done the same in north Cyprus. The Greeks are only forced to try to stop this Turkish expansionism against Greek islands and territories, by trying to contain the Turkish nationalism. Still, no human rights of the Turks are violated.

Bless you,Piratis you make me laugh!
So we won't have our right to life respected,but we will have our minority rights! That's something I suppose!
Now what can we do with our minority rights in heaven...Hmmmmmmm
All the virgins are taken by the Taliban,the suicide bombers, and the Iranians before them...What is left I wonder!!!!

Apparently you can't even read lately. To have Turkish schools is a minority right, and NOT a human right.

The Turks FIRST (as always) closed the Halki seminary in Constantinople and then the Greek government as a retaliation closed some Turkish schools in Rhodes.

When YOU attack we fight back. Is there something not clear about this?

Thanks for that Piratis. You have shot yourself in the foot.

Bless him. Do you need a plaster?

Since when has it been wrong to defend yourself?

It is not wrong. Every one has a right to defend him/herself. Piratis was implying 'payback' time. So that is what Turks under Enosis could have expected.

Kind of you to keep up coming to poor Piratis defence.

Bless you too.

[Piratis]

The talk in the motion is about minority rights, not human rights. It also says "This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it".

The Turks have annihilated the Greeks from Imbros, Tenedos and the coast of Asia Minor. They have also done the same in north Cyprus. The Greeks are only forced to try to stop this Turkish expansionism against Greek islands and territories, by trying to contain the Turkish nationalism. Still, no human rights of the Turks are violated.

Bless you,Piratis you make me laugh!
So we won't have our right to life respected,but we will have our minority rights! That's something I suppose!
Now what can we do with our minority rights in heaven...Hmmmmmmm
All the virgins are taken by the Taliban,the suicide bombers, and the Iranians before them...What is left I wonder!!!!

Apparently you can't even read lately. To have Turkish schools is a minority right, and NOT a human right.

The Turks FIRST (as always) closed the Halki seminary in Constantinople and then the Greek government as a retaliation closed some Turkish schools in Rhodes.

When YOU attack we fight back. Is there something not clear about this?

Thanks for that Piratis. You have shot yourself in the foot.

Bless him. Do you need a plaster?

Since when has it been wrong to defend yourself?

It is not wrong. Every one has a right to defend him/herself. Piratis was implying 'payback' time. So that is what Turks under Enosis could have expected.

Kind of you to keep up coming to poor Piratis defence.

Bless you too.

If you had respected our rights then what "payback" would there be? Payback for what? As I said after Ottoman rule we forgave you, and we lived in peace with you until the 50s when you attacked us again.

Unlike you we are not revengeful people, and if/when you stop your crimes against us, then we forgive you. We did this in the past and we will do it again.

When we are attacked however we have every right to fight back. You can't start killing innocent people, start wars and conflicts against us with the aim to take our lands and rights and then blame us because in the wars and conflicts you started you also had some (comparatively few) casualties.

Imagine the Nazis blaming the allies because Germans had losses during WWII. Many Germans died, many innocent ones when the allies were bombing Germany. It is regrettable that innocent Germans died, but the one who should be blamed are not the allies who were forced to fight back to defend themselves, but the Nazis who started the war and invaded other countries.

The same is the case in Cyprus. I am sorry that some innocent TCs died in the war of 74, but the ones to be blamed for this, and for the 1000s of GCs who died, are the ones who started the war.

As I have shown many time no TC was killed in 1974 before the invasion. All TCs that were killed in that year, were killed during the war that Turkey and TCs started against us.

[denizaksulu]

The talk in the motion is about minority rights, not human rights. It also says "This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it".

The Turks have annihilated the Greeks from Imbros, Tenedos and the coast of Asia Minor. They have also done the same in north Cyprus. The Greeks are only forced to try to stop this Turkish expansionism against Greek islands and territories, by trying to contain the Turkish nationalism. Still, no human rights of the Turks are violated.

Bless you,Piratis you make me laugh!
So we won't have our right to life respected,but we will have our minority rights! That's something I suppose!
Now what can we do with our minority rights in heaven...Hmmmmmmm
All the virgins are taken by the Taliban,the suicide bombers, and the Iranians before them...What is left I wonder!!!!

Apparently you can't even read lately. To have Turkish schools is a minority right, and NOT a human right.

The Turks FIRST (as always) closed the Halki seminary in Constantinople and then the Greek government as a retaliation closed some Turkish schools in Rhodes.

When YOU attack we fight back. Is there something not clear about this?

Thanks for that Piratis. You have shot yourself in the foot.

Bless him. Do you need a plaster?

Since when has it been wrong to defend yourself?

It is not wrong. Every one has a right to defend him/herself. Piratis was implying 'payback' time. So that is what Turks under Enosis could have expected.

Kind of you to keep up coming to poor Piratis defence.

Bless you too.

If you had respected our rights then what "payback" would there be? Payback for what? As I said after Ottoman rule we forgave you, and we lived in peace with you until the 50s when you attacked us again.

Unlike you we are not revengeful people, and if/when you stop your crimes against us, then we forgive you. We did this in the past and we will do it again.

When we are attacked however we have every right to fight back. You can't start killing innocent people, start wars and conflicts against us with the aim to take our lands and rights and then blame us because in the wars and conflicts you started you also had some (comparatively few) casualties.

Imagine the Nazis blaming the allies because Germans had losses during WWII. Many Germans died, many innocent ones when the allies were bombing Germany. It is regrettable that innocent Germans died, but the one who should be blamed are not the allies who were forced to fight back to defend themselves, but the Nazis who started the war and invaded other countries.

The same is the case in Cyprus. I am sorry that some innocent TCs died in the war of 74, but the ones to be blamed for this, and for the 1000s of GCs who died, are the ones who started the war.

As I have shown many time no TC was killed in 1974 before the invasion. All TCs that were killed in that year, were killed during the war that Turkey and TCs started against us.

[-mikkie2-]

No ,Mikkie...you have to understand the fears of the TCs first...Because you were the majority,the stronger partner back in the Republic and you conspired first to disposess the TCs of their rights and was the primary factor in driving them into the enclaves...

Here we go again! 'You started it first so you should do this or that first...' etc etc! This is playground arguments Bir! The TC's want to have 'equality' in Cyprus too Bir so act as such and take responsibility for your own actions too. If I take your line then I will sit here and say to you that it was the Turks that started the first intercommunal clashes in Cyprus and they were the first to commit ethnic cleansing (of Omorfita district of Nicosis) in the 1950's. But I don't. I fully accept that we GC's have done immeasurable wrong to the TC community and quite a few of our politicians, Christofias included, have also apologised for past actions against the TC's. Do we hear anything similar from prominent TC politicians?

You might want to blame eveything on the TMT,but it wasn't the TMT who slaughtered the inhabitants of 3 villages (Murataga,Atlilar,Sandallar) in 63/64 troubles...

I am now rapidly loosing respect for you Bir, because now you are talking complete rubbish. The above events actually occured in 1974, after the Turkish army invaded and after the Turks started pillaging the north and killing civilians left right and centre. So you need to take these things into their proper chronological context. What happened in those 3 villages in 1974 is digraceful. The perpertrators should be arrested and tried for these crimes and it is shameful that these people have not been made accountable for their actions.

However, you do have to accept that the TMT did its own fair share of terrible things to BOTH communities. But I guess thats ok in your eyes because it was all because of Enosis.

For 11 long years they lived hand to mouth with fear of their lives,and your side chose to totally ignore their plight,and systematically drove the TCs out of Cyprus (myself included) with your discrimination and human rights abuses...

I think that you are being disingenuous Bir. Yes, GC's did to a large extent give rise to conditions where TC's were in enclaves, but have you also looked at what the TMT was doing during that time too? For example TMT was stopping TC's from returning to their homes when things settled down. They beat up or even killed TC's that continued to have dealings with the GC's. Remember the 'Turk to Turk' policy? Part of what happened also lies at the door of the TMT and not exclusively at the GC's. But again, it was all because of the eternal excuse, Enosis!

You have no right to complain about the 74 events till you show some remorse and understanding and acceptance of your past wrongdoings first...

Here we go again! Don't you think that you are being just a little arrogant here? School playground arguments again! 'You started first.....'

How do you wish the GC's to show remorse? By accepting the current situation on the ground? By begging you for forgiveness? Perhaps you should stop and think of what the Turkish army did to the GC's in the north. You cannot excuse what they did and you are saying effectively that we desrved it. What a coward you are Bir!

Now they have their own state where they feel safe and protected...

Feel safe and protected from whome? The maurading and murdering GC's? Is that what we are to you? Were not Cypriots? We are not compatriots? Feel free to welcome with open arms the carpetbagger Brits, the Arabs the Iranians etc. I'm sure they are coming there because they love you so much! They are coming there to make a fast buck Bir and nothing more.

You and the whole world can call that entity what you like...

So now we've got it in for the whole world! Will anything please you Bir?

for the TCs it is their own state,their own country

And for us it is CYPRUS, it is our homeland and country just as CYPRUS is your homeland and country too.

,even though they are not masters of their destiny...

For once I have to agree with you!

That doesnt seem to matter because they never were masters of their destiny in your hands,and they prefer to be at the mercy of the Turks rather than the GCs...

Well, thats fine and dandy Bir. The eternal suffering TC's! Is there nothing that will make you lot happy?

A word of advice - keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer!

That should tell you something about their frame of mind....

Yes, bonkers! Perhaps you should all book into The Priory and get off whatever substances you are on!

And as we,those who still remember what it was like before 63 keep dying off,those remaining will only feel more and more emotional ties with the trnc. So YES it is a big compromise for them to give it up,and the GCs need to understand that and behave accordingly...

Are you being condescending or are you being arrogant? We should behave according to what you want? Perhaps you should do the same too for us. Oh, but sorry, we started it first so we have to grovel to you on hands and knees! Yeah, right, pull the other one Bir.

Else Taksim will be the de facto solution forever...

No such thing as forever. For better or for worse, things change over time and with all due respect, you can't predict the future just as much I or anyone else.

The TCs will become Turks of Cyprus and life will just go on....And only fools like me would give a damn about the disappearance of our unique TC identity.... And who knows,maybe I will see the light too one day...The GCs don't give a damn,the TCs don't give a damn,Turkey certainly doesnt give a damn...So why should I

You already are according to your esteemed leaders and Bayrak. Perhaps you should start giving a damn now. You should see the light now. And on the contrary, the GC's do give a damn because it is our island too.

10 years from now I can see myself sitting with YFred at his zivania factory,playing tavli,listening to classical Turkish music (Munir Nurettin,Zeki Muren,Muzeyyen Senar,Bulent Ersoy,Yasar Ozel...)talking about the old times, as we drink ourselves to oblivion....

Well, I tell you what, perhaps you should be saying that you will be seeing yourself sitting with me, Piratis, Boulio, Kifeas, Paliometoxo, Bananiot, deniz, boomers, Kikapu and Yfred, playing tavli and drinking zivania in OUR island and country of Cyprus. Thats what I want to see.

Look forward Bir, not back, otherwise you become a slave to the past. I feel very sorry for you for being so bitter. The only way to move on is to put the past behind us otherwise we are all doomed.

[Pyrpolizer]

I would like to congratulate Piratis for being the perfect answer to those monolithic Turks or TCs who come in here telling us "learn". Last typical example the "Yorgozlu efendi"

[Expatkiwi]

I would like to congratulate Piratis for being the perfect answer to those monolithic Turks or TCs who come in here telling us "learn". Last typical example the "Yorgozlu efendi"

Monolithic Greeks are also the norm here.
Oracle is a good example of that.
Retarded accusations don't do you credit.
Original thinking is needed here.
Not seeing all sides of the problem makes it insurmountable.

Proper analysis and soul-searching is lacking here.
Ignorance is also a factor.
Resurrecting old arguments pervades here.
Also attempts to belittle and threaten.
Those people deserve nothing but contempt.
Imposters and hateful folk pervade this forum.
Set for yourself a better example.

[Pyrpolizer]

About the who started it ordeal:
If you search through history you will never get a valid answer as to who to blame.The "who started it" was always a very minor event, that got escalating and escalating, a situation when one thing led to another. Even WWI started from a minor event: the assassination of some heir to the throne of the Ausrto-Hungarians.Yet such assassinations were going on for centuries....

Even if you ask the Nazis they would tell you it was someone else's fault: The Jews who took total control of the economy, and others who stole their lands like Poland and Chechoslovakia, and others who wouldn't allow Austria uniting into a greater German Reich...

[Pyrpolizer]

Expat,

Many of the things you accuse others apply to yourself as well. Ignorance for the Cyprob to name just one.

There I nothing wrong in being monolithic if that's the only way for some people to understand.
I have been monolithic myself many times in this forum.... I don't consider it wrong.

Ignorance is not wrong either. It becomes wrong when one is not willing to get out of it

[Oracle]

I would like to congratulate Piratis for being the perfect answer to those monolithic Turks or TCs who come in here telling us "learn". Last typical example the "Yorgozlu efendi"

Monolithic Greeks are also the norm here.
Oracle is a good example of that.
Retarded accusations don't do you credit.
Original thinking is needed here.
Not seeing all sides of the problem makes it insurmountable.

The moron is you, Expat!

Proper analysis and soul-searching is lacking here.
Ignorance is also a factor.
Resurrecting old arguments pervades here.
Also attempts to belittle and threaten.
Those people deserve nothing but contempt.
Imposters and hateful folk pervade this forum.
Set for yourself a better example.

You don't have an ounce of originality, do you?

So, Talisker played the "first-letter-per-line" game with you, where due to your slow uptake, we all had a great laugh, but by you now repeating this game throughout the forum, like a six year old, you are just proving what a copycat you are and how little you actually contribute to this forum

Expat, in the end, you do not count and you never will count. We have homes (some usurped), families, ties, lives, memories and futures in this great country which you and the TCs are trying to destroy.

I don't know why you are wasting what little life you have left thinking you are making any difference, either for the TCs, for they shall NEVER have any part of our country to call their own under apartheid, or to us, who thank god you do not support us and embarrass us as you do the Turks.

[Expatkiwi]

So, Talisker played the "first-letter-per-line" game with you, where due to your slow uptake, we all had a great laugh, but by you now repeating this game throughout the forum, like a six year old, you are just proving what a copycat you are and how little you actually contribute to this forum

Expat, in the end, you do not count and you never will count. We have homes (some usurped), families, ties, lives, memories and futures in this great country which you and the TCs are trying to destroy.

I don't know why you are wasting what little life you have left thinking you are making any difference, either for the TCs, for they shall NEVER have any part of our country to call their own under apartheid, or to us, who thank god you do not support us and embarrass us as you do the Turks.

Got to admit that it is fun working on these word games.
Especially as it seems to annoy you so much.
Too bad you have no sense of humor.

Settle down, Oracle, and you may just become a nice person.
Temper tantrums don't do you justice.
Unless you do settle down, you'll just stay a nasty old shrew.
Forgoing such advice is not a good idea.
Finally, you really need to stop abisung and accusing.
End of Sermon.
Don't I write well?