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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:08 am

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
YFred wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:your not originally tc vp? or you where living in england for a long time beofore or duirng the war?


My parents are both TC I was born and raised in the UK now living in the beautiful TRNC.

I hope you realise how lucky you are.


I know YFred, I returned in time to raise my children here in the TRNC among our people, the standards in the UK have gone down hill.

It does depend on where you live. There are still very good pockets even in London. But I do envy you and intend to return after I retire. I am going to plant a vineyard in Lurucina to introduce the world to Lurucina Zivania.


I think I found my occupation post retirement... :lol:
YFred,will you let me help you making all that zivania if I return to Cyprus....???You can pay me in kind,all the zivania I can drink.... :lol:
Deal????

You are welcome to stay there for free as long as you want, However although I have the land as yet not planted the vines or dug foundation for the villa and the swimming pool in the middle surrounded by the almond trees and figs. Now that is heaven and it has a beautiful view of the valley.
Its about 15 minutes drive away from Nicosia too I might add. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



...not to mention that your villa will be well guarded by the massed armed personnel carriers and tanks of the Cypriot National Guard. :lol: :lol:


Oi! Bugger off you scabby lot. Chateau de Freddie Zivania has already been promised to me.
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Postby Gasman » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:54 am

Chateau de Freddie Zivania


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Doesn't it have to be in France or Switzerland to be a 'chateau' lol!

TRNC is VILLALAND!
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:54 am

bill cobbett wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:your not originally tc vp? or you where living in england for a long time beofore or duirng the war?


My parents are both TC I was born and raised in the UK now living in the beautiful TRNC.

I hope you realise how lucky you are.


I know YFred, I returned in time to raise my children here in the TRNC among our people, the standards in the UK have gone down hill.

It does depend on where you live. There are still very good pockets even in London. But I do envy you and intend to return after I retire. I am going to plant a vineyard in Lurucina to introduce the world to Lurucina Zivania.



I think I found my occupation post retirement... :lol:
YFred,will you let me help you making all that zivania if I return to Cyprus....???You can pay me in kind,all the zivania I can drink.... :lol:
Deal????

You are welcome to stay there for free as long as you want, However although I have the land as yet not planted the vines or dug foundation for the villa and the swimming pool in the middle surrounded by the almond trees and figs. Now that is heaven and it has a beautiful view of the valley.
Its about 15 minutes drive away from Nicosia too I might add. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



...not to mention that your villa will be well guarded by the massed armed personnel carriers and tanks of the Cypriot National Guard. :lol: :lol:


Oi! Bugger off you scabby lot. Chateau de Freddie Zivania has already been promised to me.

By whom? the thieving roc?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:59 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote: You say the new conditions for the next "marriage" will be chosen by the people themselves...Yet,you want to force the TCs to drop Turkey's guarantees and adopt your full democracy principles...Why? Is it only a GC prerogative to refuse to accept terms of an agreement (even after signing them!)? will you be equally forgiving of the TCs if and when they say they did not agree to such and such but had no choice but sign at the time??? What's good for the goose????


Bir, there is no GC hand that has the nerve to sign an agreement that will bestow unilateral intervention rights to Turkey, in the form of guarantees as we came to know them from the 1960 agreements between Greece, Turkey and the UK. There are reasons for that, and I am sure you know them all, but let me repeat them here once more.

1. Turkey is not a stable democracy, with a healthy political culture and system. It cannot guarantee its own peoples’ human, social and political rights. Turkey needs other countries to guarantee its own peoples’ human, cultural and political rights (see what happens with the Kurds and other minorities,) and it is very provocatively rich from her part, and that of the TCs, to demand that such a country should have unilateral interventions rights into another country, an EU member as a matter of fact, with a much healthier political culture than her own. That the RoC, as it stands today, has a much healthier political culture, I am not the one saying so but all international ratings in all relevant aspects and areas of concern.

2. Turkey had used once these hypothetical intervention rights, and it failed miserably to protect the human rights, constitutional order and sovereignty of Cyprus. Its intervention, in the form of invasion and occupation, evidently created a situation much worse than the one it supposedly came to rectify, and we all experience these results as of this day.

3. Cyprus is a sovereign country, just like Turkey, and a member of the UN and the EU as of 2004. If one sovereign country claims to retain the right to unilaterally intervene into another sovereign state, without this being valid in retrospect, then the principle of sovereign equality between UN members, as it is safeguarded by the UN Charter (article 2, par.1,) is nullified. Such a notion, i.e. that one sovereign country has the right to essentially invade another one at will -as long as there is some pre-text, outside any UN SC mandate, goes against the most fundamental principle based on which the UN was founded. Furthermore, Cyprus being a member of the EU, such a notion goes against the principles based on which the EU exists; more so when it extends to a country that is not even an EU member state itself.

If the Turkish side insists on this anachronistic and essentially illegal under international law provision, then I am afraid there will be no solution. Now, if there will be no solution, all sides stand to lose, including the GC one. However, I happen to believe that the TC side and Turkey are the sides that stand to lose the more, in the long run. Occupation and retention of northern Cyprus by Turkey will indeed become the biggest “white Elephant” example in the modern history, even after the last TC will vanish from the annals of history. I frankly suggest that if indeed the TCs and Turkey are interested in a solution, they should try and find other ways to address the issue of security of the TCs, from the hands of the bloodthirsty GCs -i.e. from the hands of those that many of them seek medical treatment on a daily basis. There are many ways to address this area of concern for the TCs, such as in the form of a mixed local and international force that will include Greece and Turkey, but in which no one country alone will have the right to take unilateral action. We are open to all proposals, BUT one which will allow Turkey to think or believe it has the legitimacy to repeat what it did in 1974 and afterwards.

And since you used the mariage example, no one in his right senses accepts to enter into a marriage relationship, in which the mother-in-law or the father-in-law will have the keys of the bedroom and the right to permanetly station themselves there, when the couble goes in bed every night. If you are ready to accept such a marriage, then so be it, but we are not. It goes against our dignity.


well,dear Kifeas,we have our own Catch 22...Turkey will not leave the picture until a compehensive solution is agreed to,put into operation,and found to work...And GCs will not agree to a comprehensive solution till Turkey is out of the picture...What are we going to do???Start talking about Partition???keep the status quo till the balance of power changes and the North is liberated by war? Wait to reclaim the GC properties in the North one by one in courts??? What??? :( :( :(

Bir, to continue with your analogy with a marriage, considering our partner is supposed to be roc, I would say that is unreasonable behaviour and we have grounds for divorce. The international community has seen it and has had enough of it. It's a matter of time before it happens.
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:03 am

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:your not originally tc vp? or you where living in england for a long time beofore or duirng the war?


My parents are both TC I was born and raised in the UK now living in the beautiful TRNC.

I hope you realise how lucky you are.


I know YFred, I returned in time to raise my children here in the TRNC among our people, the standards in the UK have gone down hill.

It does depend on where you live. There are still very good pockets even in London. But I do envy you and intend to return after I retire. I am going to plant a vineyard in Lurucina to introduce the world to Lurucina Zivania.


I think I found my occupation post retirement... :lol:
YFred,will you let me help you making all that zivania if I return to Cyprus....???You can pay me in kind,all the zivania I can drink.... :lol:
Deal????

You are welcome to stay there for free as long as you want, However although I have the land as yet not planted the vines or dug foundation for the villa and the swimming pool in the middle surrounded by the almond trees and figs. Now that is heaven and it has a beautiful view of the valley.
Its about 15 minutes drive away from Nicosia too I might add. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



...not to mention that your villa will be well guarded by the massed armed personnel carriers and tanks of the Cypriot National Guard. :lol: :lol:

..and commanded by Private GR? There is only one way that can happen. He will have to be infront of me at all times and my kalashnikov has to be loaded when ever he is present.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:05 am

YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote: You say the new conditions for the next "marriage" will be chosen by the people themselves...Yet,you want to force the TCs to drop Turkey's guarantees and adopt your full democracy principles...Why? Is it only a GC prerogative to refuse to accept terms of an agreement (even after signing them!)? will you be equally forgiving of the TCs if and when they say they did not agree to such and such but had no choice but sign at the time??? What's good for the goose????


Bir, there is no GC hand that has the nerve to sign an agreement that will bestow unilateral intervention rights to Turkey, in the form of guarantees as we came to know them from the 1960 agreements between Greece, Turkey and the UK. There are reasons for that, and I am sure you know them all, but let me repeat them here once more.

1. Turkey is not a stable democracy, with a healthy political culture and system. It cannot guarantee its own peoples’ human, social and political rights. Turkey needs other countries to guarantee its own peoples’ human, cultural and political rights (see what happens with the Kurds and other minorities,) and it is very provocatively rich from her part, and that of the TCs, to demand that such a country should have unilateral interventions rights into another country, an EU member as a matter of fact, with a much healthier political culture than her own. That the RoC, as it stands today, has a much healthier political culture, I am not the one saying so but all international ratings in all relevant aspects and areas of concern.

2. Turkey had used once these hypothetical intervention rights, and it failed miserably to protect the human rights, constitutional order and sovereignty of Cyprus. Its intervention, in the form of invasion and occupation, evidently created a situation much worse than the one it supposedly came to rectify, and we all experience these results as of this day.

3. Cyprus is a sovereign country, just like Turkey, and a member of the UN and the EU as of 2004. If one sovereign country claims to retain the right to unilaterally intervene into another sovereign state, without this being valid in retrospect, then the principle of sovereign equality between UN members, as it is safeguarded by the UN Charter (article 2, par.1,) is nullified. Such a notion, i.e. that one sovereign country has the right to essentially invade another one at will -as long as there is some pre-text, outside any UN SC mandate, goes against the most fundamental principle based on which the UN was founded. Furthermore, Cyprus being a member of the EU, such a notion goes against the principles based on which the EU exists; more so when it extends to a country that is not even an EU member state itself.

If the Turkish side insists on this anachronistic and essentially illegal under international law provision, then I am afraid there will be no solution. Now, if there will be no solution, all sides stand to lose, including the GC one. However, I happen to believe that the TC side and Turkey are the sides that stand to lose the more, in the long run. Occupation and retention of northern Cyprus by Turkey will indeed become the biggest “white Elephant” example in the modern history, even after the last TC will vanish from the annals of history. I frankly suggest that if indeed the TCs and Turkey are interested in a solution, they should try and find other ways to address the issue of security of the TCs, from the hands of the bloodthirsty GCs -i.e. from the hands of those that many of them seek medical treatment on a daily basis. There are many ways to address this area of concern for the TCs, such as in the form of a mixed local and international force that will include Greece and Turkey, but in which no one country alone will have the right to take unilateral action. We are open to all proposals, BUT one which will allow Turkey to think or believe it has the legitimacy to repeat what it did in 1974 and afterwards.

And since you used the mariage example, no one in his right senses accepts to enter into a marriage relationship, in which the mother-in-law or the father-in-law will have the keys of the bedroom and the right to permanetly station themselves there, when the couble goes in bed every night. If you are ready to accept such a marriage, then so be it, but we are not. It goes against our dignity.


well,dear Kifeas,we have our own Catch 22...Turkey will not leave the picture until a compehensive solution is agreed to,put into operation,and found to work...And GCs will not agree to a comprehensive solution till Turkey is out of the picture...What are we going to do???Start talking about Partition???keep the status quo till the balance of power changes and the North is liberated by war? Wait to reclaim the GC properties in the North one by one in courts??? What??? :( :( :(

Bir, to continue with your analogy with a marriage, considering our partner is supposed to be roc, I would say that is unreasonable behaviour and we have grounds for divorce. The international community has seen it and has had enough of it. It's a matter of time before it happens.



I blame the mother-in-laws :lol: Not good for the strongest of marriages. Why not 'divorce' the m-in-l's :lol: :lol: :lol: Send em packing. Alferesko, you's support that wouldnt you?.
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:09 am

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote: You say the new conditions for the next "marriage" will be chosen by the people themselves...Yet,you want to force the TCs to drop Turkey's guarantees and adopt your full democracy principles...Why? Is it only a GC prerogative to refuse to accept terms of an agreement (even after signing them!)? will you be equally forgiving of the TCs if and when they say they did not agree to such and such but had no choice but sign at the time??? What's good for the goose????


Bir, there is no GC hand that has the nerve to sign an agreement that will bestow unilateral intervention rights to Turkey, in the form of guarantees as we came to know them from the 1960 agreements between Greece, Turkey and the UK. There are reasons for that, and I am sure you know them all, but let me repeat them here once more.

1. Turkey is not a stable democracy, with a healthy political culture and system. It cannot guarantee its own peoples’ human, social and political rights. Turkey needs other countries to guarantee its own peoples’ human, cultural and political rights (see what happens with the Kurds and other minorities,) and it is very provocatively rich from her part, and that of the TCs, to demand that such a country should have unilateral interventions rights into another country, an EU member as a matter of fact, with a much healthier political culture than her own. That the RoC, as it stands today, has a much healthier political culture, I am not the one saying so but all international ratings in all relevant aspects and areas of concern.

2. Turkey had used once these hypothetical intervention rights, and it failed miserably to protect the human rights, constitutional order and sovereignty of Cyprus. Its intervention, in the form of invasion and occupation, evidently created a situation much worse than the one it supposedly came to rectify, and we all experience these results as of this day.

3. Cyprus is a sovereign country, just like Turkey, and a member of the UN and the EU as of 2004. If one sovereign country claims to retain the right to unilaterally intervene into another sovereign state, without this being valid in retrospect, then the principle of sovereign equality between UN members, as it is safeguarded by the UN Charter (article 2, par.1,) is nullified. Such a notion, i.e. that one sovereign country has the right to essentially invade another one at will -as long as there is some pre-text, outside any UN SC mandate, goes against the most fundamental principle based on which the UN was founded. Furthermore, Cyprus being a member of the EU, such a notion goes against the principles based on which the EU exists; more so when it extends to a country that is not even an EU member state itself.

If the Turkish side insists on this anachronistic and essentially illegal under international law provision, then I am afraid there will be no solution. Now, if there will be no solution, all sides stand to lose, including the GC one. However, I happen to believe that the TC side and Turkey are the sides that stand to lose the more, in the long run. Occupation and retention of northern Cyprus by Turkey will indeed become the biggest “white Elephant” example in the modern history, even after the last TC will vanish from the annals of history. I frankly suggest that if indeed the TCs and Turkey are interested in a solution, they should try and find other ways to address the issue of security of the TCs, from the hands of the bloodthirsty GCs -i.e. from the hands of those that many of them seek medical treatment on a daily basis. There are many ways to address this area of concern for the TCs, such as in the form of a mixed local and international force that will include Greece and Turkey, but in which no one country alone will have the right to take unilateral action. We are open to all proposals, BUT one which will allow Turkey to think or believe it has the legitimacy to repeat what it did in 1974 and afterwards.

And since you used the mariage example, no one in his right senses accepts to enter into a marriage relationship, in which the mother-in-law or the father-in-law will have the keys of the bedroom and the right to permanetly station themselves there, when the couble goes in bed every night. If you are ready to accept such a marriage, then so be it, but we are not. It goes against our dignity.


well,dear Kifeas,we have our own Catch 22...Turkey will not leave the picture until a compehensive solution is agreed to,put into operation,and found to work...And GCs will not agree to a comprehensive solution till Turkey is out of the picture...What are we going to do???Start talking about Partition???keep the status quo till the balance of power changes and the North is liberated by war? Wait to reclaim the GC properties in the North one by one in courts??? What??? :( :( :(

Bir, to continue with your analogy with a marriage, considering our partner is supposed to be roc, I would say that is unreasonable behaviour and we have grounds for divorce. The international community has seen it and has had enough of it. It's a matter of time before it happens.



I blame the mother :lol: good for the strongest of marriages. Why not 'divorce' the m-in-l's :lol: :lol: :lol: Send em packing. Alferesko, you's support that wouldnt you.

Deniz, be reasonable, not while she is the only entity feeding us. It would be like divorcing your mother while she is suckling you at 3 months. First you have to be weaned off her before such bravado can take place.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:18 am

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote: You say the new conditions for the next "marriage" will be chosen by the people themselves...Yet,you want to force the TCs to drop Turkey's guarantees and adopt your full democracy principles...Why? Is it only a GC prerogative to refuse to accept terms of an agreement (even after signing them!)? will you be equally forgiving of the TCs if and when they say they did not agree to such and such but had no choice but sign at the time??? What's good for the goose????


Bir, there is no GC hand that has the nerve to sign an agreement that will bestow unilateral intervention rights to Turkey, in the form of guarantees as we came to know them from the 1960 agreements between Greece, Turkey and the UK. There are reasons for that, and I am sure you know them all, but let me repeat them here once more.

1. Turkey is not a stable democracy, with a healthy political culture and system. It cannot guarantee its own peoples’ human, social and political rights. Turkey needs other countries to guarantee its own peoples’ human, cultural and political rights (see what happens with the Kurds and other minorities,) and it is very provocatively rich from her part, and that of the TCs, to demand that such a country should have unilateral interventions rights into another country, an EU member as a matter of fact, with a much healthier political culture than her own. That the RoC, as it stands today, has a much healthier political culture, I am not the one saying so but all international ratings in all relevant aspects and areas of concern.

2. Turkey had used once these hypothetical intervention rights, and it failed miserably to protect the human rights, constitutional order and sovereignty of Cyprus. Its intervention, in the form of invasion and occupation, evidently created a situation much worse than the one it supposedly came to rectify, and we all experience these results as of this day.

3. Cyprus is a sovereign country, just like Turkey, and a member of the UN and the EU as of 2004. If one sovereign country claims to retain the right to unilaterally intervene into another sovereign state, without this being valid in retrospect, then the principle of sovereign equality between UN members, as it is safeguarded by the UN Charter (article 2, par.1,) is nullified. Such a notion, i.e. that one sovereign country has the right to essentially invade another one at will -as long as there is some pre-text, outside any UN SC mandate, goes against the most fundamental principle based on which the UN was founded. Furthermore, Cyprus being a member of the EU, such a notion goes against the principles based on which the EU exists; more so when it extends to a country that is not even an EU member state itself.

If the Turkish side insists on this anachronistic and essentially illegal under international law provision, then I am afraid there will be no solution. Now, if there will be no solution, all sides stand to lose, including the GC one. However, I happen to believe that the TC side and Turkey are the sides that stand to lose the more, in the long run. Occupation and retention of northern Cyprus by Turkey will indeed become the biggest “white Elephant” example in the modern history, even after the last TC will vanish from the annals of history. I frankly suggest that if indeed the TCs and Turkey are interested in a solution, they should try and find other ways to address the issue of security of the TCs, from the hands of the bloodthirsty GCs -i.e. from the hands of those that many of them seek medical treatment on a daily basis. There are many ways to address this area of concern for the TCs, such as in the form of a mixed local and international force that will include Greece and Turkey, but in which no one country alone will have the right to take unilateral action. We are open to all proposals, BUT one which will allow Turkey to think or believe it has the legitimacy to repeat what it did in 1974 and afterwards.

And since you used the mariage example, no one in his right senses accepts to enter into a marriage relationship, in which the mother-in-law or the father-in-law will have the keys of the bedroom and the right to permanetly station themselves there, when the couble goes in bed every night. If you are ready to accept such a marriage, then so be it, but we are not. It goes against our dignity.


well,dear Kifeas,we have our own Catch 22...Turkey will not leave the picture until a compehensive solution is agreed to,put into operation,and found to work...And GCs will not agree to a comprehensive solution till Turkey is out of the picture...What are we going to do???Start talking about Partition???keep the status quo till the balance of power changes and the North is liberated by war? Wait to reclaim the GC properties in the North one by one in courts??? What??? :( :( :(

Bir, to continue with your analogy with a marriage, considering our partner is supposed to be roc, I would say that is unreasonable behaviour and we have grounds for divorce. The international community has seen it and has had enough of it. It's a matter of time before it happens.



I blame the mother :lol: good for the strongest of marriages. Why not 'divorce' the m-in-l's :lol: :lol: :lol: Send em packing. Alferesko, you's support that wouldnt you.

Deniz, be reasonable, not while she is the only entity feeding us. It would be like divorcing your mother while she is suckling you at 3 months. First you have to be weaned off her before such bravado can take place.
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My keyboard has a mind of its own. I meant mothers-in-law.

I am fed up being told by them what to do. :twisted:
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Postby YFred » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:22 am

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote: You say the new conditions for the next "marriage" will be chosen by the people themselves...Yet,you want to force the TCs to drop Turkey's guarantees and adopt your full democracy principles...Why? Is it only a GC prerogative to refuse to accept terms of an agreement (even after signing them!)? will you be equally forgiving of the TCs if and when they say they did not agree to such and such but had no choice but sign at the time??? What's good for the goose????


Bir, there is no GC hand that has the nerve to sign an agreement that will bestow unilateral intervention rights to Turkey, in the form of guarantees as we came to know them from the 1960 agreements between Greece, Turkey and the UK. There are reasons for that, and I am sure you know them all, but let me repeat them here once more.

1. Turkey is not a stable democracy, with a healthy political culture and system. It cannot guarantee its own peoples’ human, social and political rights. Turkey needs other countries to guarantee its own peoples’ human, cultural and political rights (see what happens with the Kurds and other minorities,) and it is very provocatively rich from her part, and that of the TCs, to demand that such a country should have unilateral interventions rights into another country, an EU member as a matter of fact, with a much healthier political culture than her own. That the RoC, as it stands today, has a much healthier political culture, I am not the one saying so but all international ratings in all relevant aspects and areas of concern.

2. Turkey had used once these hypothetical intervention rights, and it failed miserably to protect the human rights, constitutional order and sovereignty of Cyprus. Its intervention, in the form of invasion and occupation, evidently created a situation much worse than the one it supposedly came to rectify, and we all experience these results as of this day.

3. Cyprus is a sovereign country, just like Turkey, and a member of the UN and the EU as of 2004. If one sovereign country claims to retain the right to unilaterally intervene into another sovereign state, without this being valid in retrospect, then the principle of sovereign equality between UN members, as it is safeguarded by the UN Charter (article 2, par.1,) is nullified. Such a notion, i.e. that one sovereign country has the right to essentially invade another one at will -as long as there is some pre-text, outside any UN SC mandate, goes against the most fundamental principle based on which the UN was founded. Furthermore, Cyprus being a member of the EU, such a notion goes against the principles based on which the EU exists; more so when it extends to a country that is not even an EU member state itself.

If the Turkish side insists on this anachronistic and essentially illegal under international law provision, then I am afraid there will be no solution. Now, if there will be no solution, all sides stand to lose, including the GC one. However, I happen to believe that the TC side and Turkey are the sides that stand to lose the more, in the long run. Occupation and retention of northern Cyprus by Turkey will indeed become the biggest “white Elephant” example in the modern history, even after the last TC will vanish from the annals of history. I frankly suggest that if indeed the TCs and Turkey are interested in a solution, they should try and find other ways to address the issue of security of the TCs, from the hands of the bloodthirsty GCs -i.e. from the hands of those that many of them seek medical treatment on a daily basis. There are many ways to address this area of concern for the TCs, such as in the form of a mixed local and international force that will include Greece and Turkey, but in which no one country alone will have the right to take unilateral action. We are open to all proposals, BUT one which will allow Turkey to think or believe it has the legitimacy to repeat what it did in 1974 and afterwards.

And since you used the mariage example, no one in his right senses accepts to enter into a marriage relationship, in which the mother-in-law or the father-in-law will have the keys of the bedroom and the right to permanetly station themselves there, when the couble goes in bed every night. If you are ready to accept such a marriage, then so be it, but we are not. It goes against our dignity.


well,dear Kifeas,we have our own Catch 22...Turkey will not leave the picture until a compehensive solution is agreed to,put into operation,and found to work...And GCs will not agree to a comprehensive solution till Turkey is out of the picture...What are we going to do???Start talking about Partition???keep the status quo till the balance of power changes and the North is liberated by war? Wait to reclaim the GC properties in the North one by one in courts??? What??? :( :( :(

Bir, to continue with your analogy with a marriage, considering our partner is supposed to be roc, I would say that is unreasonable behaviour and we have grounds for divorce. The international community has seen it and has had enough of it. It's a matter of time before it happens.



I blame the mother :lol: good for the strongest of marriages. Why not 'divorce' the m-in-l's :lol: :lol: :lol: Send em packing. Alferesko, you's support that wouldnt you.

Deniz, be reasonable, not while she is the only entity feeding us. It would be like divorcing your mother while she is suckling you at 3 months. First you have to be weaned off her before such bravado can take place.
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My keyboard has a mind of its own. I meant mothers-in-law.

I am fed up being told by them what to do. :twisted:

I no longer have that little local difficulty, thank god. Now there I am beginning to believe in god, oh my god.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:00 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
YFred wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
YFred wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:your not originally tc vp? or you where living in england for a long time beofore or duirng the war?


My parents are both TC I was born and raised in the UK now living in the beautiful TRNC.

I hope you realise how lucky you are.


I know YFred, I returned in time to raise my children here in the TRNC among our people, the standards in the UK have gone down hill.

It does depend on where you live. There are still very good pockets even in London. But I do envy you and intend to return after I retire. I am going to plant a vineyard in Lurucina to introduce the world to Lurucina Zivania.


I think I found my occupation post retirement... :lol:
YFred,will you let me help you making all that zivania if I return to Cyprus....???You can pay me in kind,all the zivania I can drink.... :lol:
Deal????

You are welcome to stay there for free as long as you want, However although I have the land as yet not planted the vines or dug foundation for the villa and the swimming pool in the middle surrounded by the almond trees and figs. Now that is heaven and it has a beautiful view of the valley.
Its about 15 minutes drive away from Nicosia too I might add. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



...not to mention that your villa will be well guarded by the massed armed personnel carriers and tanks of the Cypriot National Guard. :lol: :lol:


Oi! Bugger off you scabby lot. Chateau de Freddie Zivania has already been promised to me.


Don't be too greedy,Bill...I am sure YFred would be happy to let you come to the cellar door for a taste,and give you a special price for a bottle... :wink:
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