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woohooo

How old did you say you were?

[Pyrpolizer]

Very nice. They are in the occupied areas, which are of course part of the Republic, but on which the Roc does not exercise effective control. Therefore no taxes, therefore no RoC Government jobs.

As for what would please you more than admitting that we the GCs represent you, no no GC represents you, the RoC does. Would you now tell me where the hell you are hiding inside the RoC, and the RoC can't find you to fill up those parliament seats, and those ministerial seats, and those Vice president seat, plus some seats at the EU pariament?

The EU know where we are ask them, until you agree a solution together with returning our rights you will have to practice what you preach and that is provide the basics eg ids health for those you claim to represent.

Of course they know where you are:In the occupied part of Cyprus where the RoC has no effective control. Therefore your rights get limited to the very basics, like IDs and passports,some greenline regulations for exports etc. Until you realize you have no future living in illegality inside the occupied part of the Republic, and until you realize you have to give our rights back to have access to your rights, may God help you.

[paliometoxo]

woohooo

How old did you say you were?

you asked if i was 12 and i had not replied yet..

i am 11 in a few weeks...

lets see the trnc be around for a long time because of us..

you know i think i saw a pig flying the other day to... right up there with trnc recognition and it being around a long time.

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Very nice. They are in the occupied areas, which are of course part of the Republic, but on which the Roc does not exercise effective control. Therefore no taxes, therefore no RoC Government jobs.

As for what would please you more than admitting that we the GCs represent you, no no GC represents you, the RoC does. Would you now tell me where the hell you are hiding inside the RoC, and the RoC can't find you to fill up those parliament seats, and those ministerial seats, and those Vice president seat, plus some seats at the EU pariament?

The EU know where we are ask them, until you agree a solution together with returning our rights you will have to practice what you preach and that is provide the basics eg ids health for those you claim to represent.

Of course they know where you are:In the occupied part of Cyprus where the RoC has no effective control. Therefore your rights get limited to the very basics, like IDs and passports,some greenline regulations for exports etc. Until you realize you have no future living in illegality inside the occupied part of the Republic, and until you realize you have to give our rights back to have access to your rights, may God help you.

We prefer the current situation to being forced back into the "RoC" which for us is hşjacked by greedy GCs, the only way we may get back together is through agreeing a comprehensive solution otherwise forget it.

[BirKibrisli]

Sure,there is corruption in the trnc,and I have often talked about it in the past...sometimes in very harsh terms...As you imply above it was not the fault of the TCs,it was forced upon them...The average decent TC has lost big time,Kikapu...I don't know what your personal experiences are,but in my family alone,2 of my Uncles who were already living in Nicosia pre 74 have refused to touch any refugee property...My other relatives,including the Auntie I share with Deniz,who became refugees themselves were only given a fraction of what they left behind...Most others who left before 74 got absolutely nothing for their properties in the South...The GC claim that all TCs got rich on refugee property is simply a myth...

My criticism are generally made to the "trnc" and all those who support the "trnc" 100%, like all our Fascist NeoPartitionist friends here on the forum and all the so called Turkish Newspapers who seem to lack any journalistic integrity or accuracy in their reporting, which Bayrak is no exception and by lesser "nationalist" who just like to pick fights with the GCs for the sake of it. I have always excluded the TC refugees from any attacks in the corrupted establishment of the north. I often separate the decent TCs from the Fascist and the settlers. But lets not kid ourselves, that many TCs who had gotten refugee homes have also bought up a lot of stolen GC land in the north as well as many TCs from the UK and else where. I wrote about my cousin's husband gloating about his purchases of GC properties in the north. He is not alone and it is these morally corrupted individuals who have been also an obstacle to finding a Fair & Just settlement, because they would lose it all, so they prefer anything but a Fair & Just peace plan. To them, Annan Plan was their ticket to keep most of the GCs land and have a partition at the same time in the form of a Confederate states with the "virgin birth" concept. That was voted down by 55.5% vs. 44.5% by all those who voted, and in my personal opinion, that was the right result.

My mother's parents land was divided by 5 children and 4 of them “exchanged” for GC land but my mother kept her deeds for the land in the south and refused to take part by taking GC land. As you have noted, she is not alone, as your family has done the same. Many families have done the same. But that's not to say, today, there isn’t a large amount of dealings that goes on in the north that is GC land. VP is only happy to tell you it is the case. Why do you think he is after a Annan Plan kind of a settlement. He has family members who are holding GC lands and I do not mean "exchange" even though he claims not to have any himself, which is very hard to believe knowing his partitionist stand.

We don't really know what VP's personal position is,so I dont think it is proper to speculate..The biggest profiteers amongst the TCs were those close to power,including those in influential positions in the TMT...There are thousands of indigenous TCs who became refugees or who left Cyprus before 74 who got absolutely nothing...Most land speculators are not TCs but settlers as far as I know..This doesn't make it right of course...But how can you remain silent when day after day you hear GCs talking about all TCs being thieves and dealers in stolen land???You know that is not the case,yet do not correct them...There is another myth on this forum,tht the TCs do not want a solution because they want to keep their financial gains?? As if the TCs had no emotional atachment to their ancestral land,and would sell their mothers for profit...I find that particularly insulting,don't you???

We do know VP's personal situation and it is not a speculation on my part because he told us couple of years ago that some members of his family are holding GC land, but not himself personally. He can correct me if he wants, which I do not believe he will. Why would that be a shock to anyone. I have relatives in the north who also have GC properties, aside from the "exchanged" land that is. When the whole TC community by and large in Cyprus live in the north and all the properties of all the GC refugees properties are being utilised in the north by the "trnc" which we are told it represents the TCs, then it is only logical to assign all those living in the north as holding and enjoying the GCs properties, specially for the fact, for the first 30 years, the GCs were not allow to even go to the north to see their properties. So naturally all those in the north are all going to be grouped as stealers of GCs properties.. Is it not the same, when 4 kids steal a car for a joy ride and are all in the car when the police catches them, even though only one of them broke into the car and was also behind the wheel driving. It's the same here I'm afraid.

Of course there are TCs who have never bought any GC land but are only living in GCs properties because they themselves have become refugees from their own properties in the south. But guess what, they are all in the north amongst the morally corrupted individuals, and since the north's leaders deliberately made the north to become a corrupted society, even the innocent TCs have no choice but to go along with the flow. It is the nature of the beast. Guilty by association comes to mind, which you yourself have implied that I'm also guilty when the GCs call the TCs "thieves" and I do not say anything. I know I don't have any GC land and you don’t have any and Deniz does not have any and Iceman does not have any, because we have established credibility by arguing against those who do. How many times have you seen any NeoPartitonist condemn any TC , settler or foreigners buying and selling GC properties. Not many, but a lot of justifications being made blaming on the isolation, but when VP tells me that BMW's and flat screen TV's are selling like hot cakes and every drive way has two cars, and Insan tells us that the TCs do not do manual labour so they import settlers and other foreigners while the young enjoy driving their cars spending their parents money visiting their times on the beach and night clubs, then you have to ask the question as to where has all this wealth has come from for a place without any economy to speak of.


I believe, that those who are holding onto a lot of GC land do not want a solution based on Democracy and Rule of Law. They want the Annan Plan where it gives the north to them and excludes most of the GC refugees from ever returning to their land. They were to be paid the rates of 1974, and that's it. That's the kind of solution these people want, and then they wonder why the GCs said OXI by 76%. As my cousin’s husband said to me in Cyprus in 2007, "we only voted for the plan, and not for peace". My meeting with him for couple of hours had changed a lot of my views regarding the Cyprus problem. I was told the naked truth by a family member, and I believed him. He had no reason to hold back. But VP tells us the same thing every day, and since you want us to believe VP represents the majority's views in the north, which is very dangerous to do that in my view, it’s no wonder the GCs think the majority of the TCs are thieves and do not want a settlement but a partition taking with them most of the GC land in the north. You have created a "monster" by labelling VP as the representative of the majority of the TCs (and settlers)in the north and the TCs have not helped themselves either, when they align themselves with Turkey and use her flag as their own.

Yes you are correct, that all those TCs who left the island way before 1974 from the south, never got anything for their land in the north. We didn't steal any GC land, so yes, it is not nice to hear that, but for the GCs, they see all those in the north as thieves, because that's where their properties are, and that's where the TCs, the settlers and the carpetbaggers are.!

I will not justify the foolish trnc land policy,Kikapu,becaue it is truly indefensible...But this does not make it logical to call all TCs "thieves nd land speculators" and conclude that their only motivation in insisting on their red lines is to keep their financial gains...

If we are to use the same black and white logic,then we must conclude that all GC are thieves and corrupt individuals because they have stolen government power from the TCs in 63 and went on to make wealth at the expense of TCs...If we don't speak out and condemn such general insults we give them our tacit aprroval...And why are you so ready to dismiss the argument that the Isolations and Embargoes have a lot to do with the way things have developed (or not developed) in the trnc??? It is your jumping on the GC bandwagon at every point and turn which makes me scratch my head...The GC propaganda line is very clear...And most of our GC friends here have imbibed it from their mother's tit...The TCs were wrong to oppose ENOSIS...They forced us into an agreement we just had to sign...Then when we proposed some changes to make the agreement more workable they packed their bags and left,as part of Denktas's Taksim dream...Their exile was entirely self-inflicted,they had no reasons whatsoever other than wanting to gain at our expence and give Turkey the the pretext to strike 11 years later... finally out of nowhere Turkey came and the TCs got their wish of partition..They all left their ancestral homes willingly and eagerly to achieve Denktas's dream...They are corrupt and stealing individuals who have proved themselves to be so by the way they dealt with the GC property issue in the North....

Now please tell me where your stand diverges from the above official GC propaganda line,and I will not ask you another question ever again...

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woohooo

How old did you say you were?

you asked if i was 12 and i had not replied yet..

i am 11 in a few weeks...

lets see the trnc be around for a long time because of us..

you know i think i saw a pig flying the other day to... right up there with trnc recognition and it being around a long time.

Are you really 11, man you have been brain washed to hate us, shows how very dangerous unificaiton would be...frightening.

[Pyrpolizer]

woohooo

How old did you say you were?

you asked if i was 12 and i had not replied yet..

i am 11 in a few weeks...

lets see the trnc be around for a long time because of us..

you know i think i saw a pig flying the other day to... right up there with trnc recognition and it being around a long time.

Dreams are good for emotional stability Paliometoxo. EVERYBODY in Cyprus has some.

[paliometoxo]

No im all for unification and equal rights i dont hate tcs i hate mainland turkish army and the turkish government for being in cyprus and occupying our land.. maybe you might take offence to that but a number of tcs would agree with what i say about the army and the mainland turks. i am all for peace and no lines and passports to walk from one side of the country to the other.

I have friends from the north side and even some from turkey i used to know who they did not care about the cy problem and the ones in cyprus agree with me that the army should go home ..etc

if i was a tc hater i would not have any friends from the north i would never cross over..

your the one promoting hate against cypritos and love for two states and more hate..

well people can pass from north to south and there is no problems after all these years and open gates everything is ok.. just because you have to show passport it means it stops the violence?

if there is partition and the army goes home what would stop gcs from crossing and killing you people any more then if they would with a re unified land as you claim

[paliometoxo]

woohooo

How old did you say you were?

you asked if i was 12 and i had not replied yet..

i am 11 in a few weeks...

lets see the trnc be around for a long time because of us..

you know i think i saw a pig flying the other day to... right up there with trnc recognition and it being around a long time.

Dreams are good for emotional stability Paliometoxo. EVERYBODY in Cyprus has some.

yes thats true until you realise that it will never happen in a million years

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paliometoxo

No im all for unification and equal rights i dont hate tcs i hate mainland turkish army and the turkish government for being in cyprus and occupying our land.. maybe you might take offence to that but a number of tcs would agree with what i say about the army and the mainland turks. i am all for peace and no lines and passports to walk from one side of the country to the other.

You are for unficaiton as long as it is on GC terms which is to take away our community rights and reduce us to minority at the mercy of the GCs who only aim is to take the whole island and turn it into a GC state run by GCs, we will become foreigners in our own country.

Why would the army go before fnding a solution you are asking us to get rid of our security for what?

Passports are needed to control who goes in and out of our country.

I have friends from the north side and even some from turkey i used to know who they did not care about the cy problem and the ones in cyprus agree with me that the army should go home ..etc

Why should they go so you do what ever you want? we will not get rid of our security and safety until there is a solution which guarantees the exact same.

if i was a tc hater i would not have any friends from the north i would never cross over..

Maybe you want to spy and that you are not sincere in your friendship who knows, maybe you are taking information from these people and giving it to your leaders, maybe you want to sue them.

your the one promoting hate against cypritos and love for two states and more hate..

It only appears that way becuase you do not want to hear the truth, the 2 state solution is also supported by the UN and your leaders so you better get used to it because its the only offer thats on the table.

well people can pass from north to south and there is no problems after all these years and open gates everything is ok.. just because you have to show passport it means it stops the violence?

The controls stops the violence as they all know they are on record and if anything happened they would be held accountable so they behave when they visit the other side. No control plenty of violence not worth the risk.

if there is partition and the army goes home what would stop gcs from crossing and killing you people any more then if they would with a re unified land as you claim

The border and the Turkish guarantee just in case you did anything so stupid. Thats why we cannot agree a solution without these guarantees because you are conditioned to get rid of the army so you can do as wish and attack us once again.