Cyprus-Forum.com

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, that website says cyprus-conflict, but after one logs in it says Cyprus-dispute. Imo someone highjacked the name of the Original Cyprus-Conflict web site which was really impartial and balanced.So careful guys, this new site seems to be a fraud.

OK, but this letter is genuine. You can also find it at an official US government site somewhere.

[Tim Drayton]

Thanks for that Tim. Can we reasonably deduce from the letter above that indeed the USA gave the backing as well as the guarantors inc Greece, perhaps some more secret for the 74?

My own pet theory is that the USA, or more specifically Kissinger, approached the Greek junta and assured them that if they staged a coup the US would prevent Turkey from invading, as it had done in 1964 and 1967.

[Pyrpolizer]

OK VP let's start from the begining

You complain-rather accuse- the GCs that they only offer those TCs who come looking for a job in the RoC controlled areas, the worst of jobs like construction workers etc. That we don't offer them jobs like lawyers, Engineers, Teachers,Bank employees,Commercial Managers etc. The common denominator for all these people is they don't know the language. And the common denominator of good jobs is.. they are hard to get even for GCs.

So suppose all those TC people who now come to the RoC controlled areas looking for a job (who btw are all unemployed) were going to Italy instead, what jobs do you think they would get?

[Pyrpolizer]

Tim, that website says cyprus-conflict, but after one logs in it says Cyprus-dispute. Imo someone highjacked the name of the Original Cyprus-Conflict web site which was really impartial and balanced.So careful guys, this new site seems to be a fraud.

OK, but this letter is genuine. You can also find it at an official US government site somewhere.

I understand. I was only trying to warn people that this site is not the original Cyprus-conflict web site.

[Kifeas]

thx Tim, this is really an important document.. I am afraid you are not tht lucky to find the second but very different letter sent from the same ''white house'' to Ecevit 10 years later

Unfortunately Karma, even though the letter of Jonson to Inonu in 1964, is a well known fact, the letter you refer to in 1974 is not known at all, simply because it never existed. The US at the time was going through the Watergate scandal, Nixon was essentially neutralized, and FM Kissinger was manipulating international relations through a fraction of CIA agents. What is well known though, is the vain efforts of UK PM Wilson and FM Callahan to convince Ecevit, when he was visting London between 17-18 July 1974, not to take the action Turkey eventually took, terming it as premature and unjustified, and that Turkey should allow time to international diplomacy to act and force the coupists to resign power back to Makarios. If you read Mehmet Ali Birand's "30 hot days" book, you will get the proper picture of how it occurred. What is also well know, is Callahan's warning on the eve of 14th August 1974 -the eve before the 2nd Attila operation, in Vienna, when it became apparent that Turkey was dragging its feet during the negotiations between the two sides, while at the same time back in Cyprus it was preparing the launching of the 2nd phase of its military assault. Callahan more or less told Turkish FM Gunes, in an angry tone, that now his government and its military feel Cyprus is a hostage to Turkey, and you try to exploit the opportunity to its fullest, but a time will come in the future that Turkey and its army will become hostages of Cyprus. Prophetic words, one may think.

[Tim Drayton]

thx Tim, this is really an important document.. I am afraid you are not tht lucky to find the second but very different letter sent from the same ''white house'' to Ecevit 10 years later

Unfortunately Karma, even though the letter of Jonson to Inonu in 1964, is a well known fact, the letter you refer to in 1974 is not known at all, simply because it never existed. The US at the time was going through the Watergate scandal, Nixon was essentially neutralized, and FM Kissinger was manipulating international relations through a fraction of CIA agents. What is well known though, is the vain efforts of UK PM Wilson and FM Callahan to convince Ecevit, when he was visting London between 17-18 July 1974, not to take the action Turkey eventually took, terming it as premature and unjustified, and that Turkey should allow time to international diplomacy to act and force the coupists to resign power back to Makarios. If you read Mehmet Ali Birand's "30 hot days" book, you will get the proper picture of how it occurred. What is also well know, is Callahan's warning on the eve of 14th August 1974 -the eve before the 2nd Attila operation, in Vienna, when it became apparent that Turkey was dragging its feet during the negotiations between the two sides, while at the same time back in Cyprus it was preparing the launching of the 2nd phase of its military assault. Callahan more or less told Turkish FM Gunes, in an angry tone, that now his government and its military feel Cyprus is a hostage to Turkey, and you try to exploit the opportunity to its fullest, but a time will come in the future that Turkey and its army will become hostages of Cyprus. Prophetic words, one may think.

I think Karma's second suggestion was made tongue in cheek - notice the emoticon!

[Kifeas]

Thanks for that Tim. Can we reasonably deduce from the letter above that indeed the USA gave the backing as well as the guarantors inc Greece, perhaps some more secret for the 74?

My own pet theory is that the USA, or more specifically Kissinger, approached the Greek junta and assured them that if they staged a coup the US would prevent Turkey from invading, as it had done in 1964 and 1967.

Precisely. Furthermore, at the same time he (Kissinger) was sending messages to Turkey (through some other CIA agents) to be ready, because the Greeks (Junta) were preparing something in Cyprus, that could be used as the excuse (pretext) they were waiting for. In fact, we even know the man deceiving Colonel Ioannides (Junta's top man) to go ahead and deal with Makarios the way he was planning. His name was Gust Avrakotos, a Greek American CIA agent appointed in Athens and a fanatic anti-communist. He is also the man that arranged the secret supply of US Arms to the Contras in Nicaragua and to the mujahideens (Talibans) in Afghanistan, during the Soviet invasion in the early 1980's.

[Tim Drayton]

Thanks for that Tim. Can we reasonably deduce from the letter above that indeed the USA gave the backing as well as the guarantors inc Greece, perhaps some more secret for the 74?

My own pet theory is that the USA, or more specifically Kissinger, approached the Greek junta and assured them that if they staged a coup the US would prevent Turkey from invading, as it had done in 1964 and 1967.

Precisely. Furthermore, at the same time he (Kissinger) was sending messages to Turkey (through some other CIA agents) to be ready, because the Greeks (Junta) were preparing something in Cyprus, that could be used as the excuse (pretext) they were waiting for. In fact, we even know the man deceiving Colonel Ioannides (Junta's top man) to go ahead and deal with Makarios the way he was planning. His name was Gust Avrakotos, a Greek American CIA agent appointed in Athens and a fanatic anti-communist. He is also the man that arranged the secret supply of US Arms to the Contras in Nicaragua and to the mujahideens (Talibans) in Afghanistan, during the Soviet invasion in the early 1980's.

A leading member of the Iraqi government at the time of the first Gulf war swears blind that the USA approached them and encourged them to march into Kuwait, promising that they would go unchallenged. Of course, we know what actually happened. If this is true, there is a striking parallel between the two events.

[Pyrpolizer]

OK VP let's start from the begining

You complain-rather accuse- the GCs that they only offer those TCs who come looking for a job in the RoC controlled areas, the worst of jobs like construction workers etc. That we don't offer them jobs like lawyers, Engineers, Teachers,Bank employees,Commercial Managers etc. The common denominator for all these people is they don't know the language. And the common denominator of good jobs is.. they are hard to get even for GCs.

So suppose all those TC people who now come to the RoC controlled areas looking for a job (who btw are all unemployed) were going to Italy instead, what jobs do you think they would get?

Still waiting Viewpoint...

[Viewpoint]

OK VP let's start from the begining

You complain-rather accuse- the GCs that they only offer those TCs who come looking for a job in the RoC controlled areas, the worst of jobs like construction workers etc. That we don't offer them jobs like lawyers, Engineers, Teachers,Bank employees,Commercial Managers etc. The common denominator for all these people is they don't know the language. And the common denominator of good jobs is.. they are hard to get even for GCs.

So suppose all those TC people who now come to the RoC controlled areas looking for a job (who btw are all unemployed) were going to Italy instead, what jobs do you think they would get?

Isnt Turkish an official language of your country?