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[Viewpoint]

we have the TRNC and crazies like Kikapu are diaspora and will die there.

Thank you VP, the voice of reason once again. And people like Bir say that your views are the views shared by the majority of TCs.

Is there any wonder why Kiks would rather live anywhere else but the "TRNC". I mean really, who can blame the guy.

He doesnt deserve a place with us you can have him with our regard or he can rot abroad where he belongs as he is a big danger to all TCs.

[Lit]

we have the TRNC and crazies like Kikapu are diaspora and will die there.

Thank you VP, the voice of reason once again. And people like Bir say that your views are the views shared by the majority of TCs.

Is there any wonder why Kiks would rather live anywhere else but the "TRNC". I mean really, who can blame the guy.

He doesnt deserve a place with us you can have him with our regard or he can rot abroad where he belongs as he is a big danger to all TCs.

He is obviously welcomed in the ROC.

Take not of your words. He is a "danger to all TCs". Aren't you being a bit paranoid? What happens to those who are a "danger to all TCs"? Should bodily harm be inflicted on this man...after all, he is a danger to all TCs?

Shame. you haven't evolved from those TMT days. I pity you and that backwater you call a state.

[karma]

Why do you feel the need to mention Kikapu’s girlfriend? Does it bother you that she may not be a Turk or a TC. You take it that she is very Swiss looking...SO??? Is he any less of a TC?
Bir, how times have changed...ehh? You fooled many in here thinking you were a moderate but your posts these past few weeks show otherwise.

Isnt she ??

[Viewpoint]

we have the TRNC and crazies like Kikapu are diaspora and will die there.

Thank you VP, the voice of reason once again. And people like Bir say that your views are the views shared by the majority of TCs.

Is there any wonder why Kiks would rather live anywhere else but the "TRNC". I mean really, who can blame the guy.

He doesnt deserve a place with us you can have him with our regard or he can rot abroad where he belongs as he is a big danger to all TCs.

He is obviously welcomed in the ROC.

Take not of your words. He is a "danger to all TCs". Aren't you being a bit paranoid? What happens to those who are a "danger to all TCs"? Should bodily harm be inflicted to this man...after all, he is a danger to all TCs?

Shame. you haven't evolved from those TMT days. I pity you and that backwater you call a state.

What would you do to people who were openly a danger to the "RoC" and a threat to all GCs?

[paliometoxo]

we where in danger from the turks and because we fought back you people sent troops for defending ourselves.

[Viewpoint]

we where in danger from the turks and because we fought back you people sent troops for defending ourselves.

No you tried to kill us all and then Turkey stepped in and whipped your arses.

[Get Real!]

Bir, how times have changed...ehh? You fooled many in here thinking you were a moderate but your posts these past few weeks show otherwise.

Nothing has changed... you're just new around here! He self confesses to be the son of a TMT regional commander, and himself a guardian of TMT firearms stashed in his house!

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:50 am

I know the official history of the EOKA and the TMT,bigOZ...
I will let others (preferably GCs talk about the rights and wrongs of EOKA)
but let me tell you a few things about TMT...The movement which produced TMT started much earlier,after the 2nd world war...It was a political movement called Volkan,and it s aims were to safeguard TC interests in case of a British withdrawal.My father was one of the founders of Volkan...when it was decided that an underground fighting force was necessary to combat any possible aggression from GCs TMT was founded...My father was a regional commmader in the Paphos area (he was also a teacher) and I remember our house in Yalya turned into an arms depot,with us kids as the guardians and protectors of the loot...Many a night I lay in bed snuggling up to handguns,stenguns,and granades,while British soldiers serched our house...Being British they never thought to look under the doona of a sleeping child or a sick (!) woman...and they never found the arms...while TMT was under the control of Dr Kuchuk and A>M>Berberoglu (my father's side) it functioned pretty much as was intended...But when Turkey decided that they needed "real action men" to run TMT Rauf Denktash and Burhan Nalbantoglu took over...Turkey threatened to kill Kuchuk and his supporters if they resisted,so they didn't...soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition...This is when my father,who was an honorable man,fell out with Denktash and Co and he was on their hitlist for a while...In fact Father was on the hitlist of EOKA as well,as they rightly suspected that he was the area commander in Paphos...But when the hitman finally arrived he was from the TMT,but by divine intervention,he turned out to be one of my father's former students...So instead of killing him he warned him of the danger,and I remember a time when we were on the move all the time to avoid a second hitman...
So dear, bigOz,I owe my exile to Australia to the TMT more than the EOKA...
This does not mean that TMT did nothing good for the TCs...or that all members were murderous thugs...But the leaders were,and they were kept in check somehow by the Turkish colonel in charge of TMT during the early 60s (Kemal Coskun code named Bayraktar,who was withdrawn to Turkey after the 67 events)...sorry to disappoint you,bigOz,but after more than 50 years of keeping silent about these things,I have earned the right to talk...It is upto you to believe me or not...But ask yourself,what motivation would I have to make all this up???All this information is in the public arena these days anyway...Read Arif Hasan Tahsin Hoca's column in Afrika and you will learn the truth about the TMT...warts and all...I want to stress the point that most underground organisations like TMT eventually end up serving the interests of those who control them,and not the general community interests...TMT was conrolled by Denktash locally and Turkey overseas,so it ended up serving their interests...In the process many good,honorable people who wanted to serve the interest of the TC people or the interests of all Cypriots were killed or sent into exile...I know you mean well,bigOz,and sorry once again if I woke you up from the dream imposed by Denktash and Co's propaganda machine...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus11396-10.html

[Lit]

we have the TRNC and crazies like Kikapu are diaspora and will die there.

Thank you VP, the voice of reason once again. And people like Bir say that your views are the views shared by the majority of TCs.

Is there any wonder why Kiks would rather live anywhere else but the "TRNC". I mean really, who can blame the guy.

He doesnt deserve a place with us you can have him with our regard or he can rot abroad where he belongs as he is a big danger to all TCs.

He is obviously welcomed in the ROC.

Take not of your words. He is a "danger to all TCs". Aren't you being a bit paranoid? What happens to those who are a "danger to all TCs"? Should bodily harm be inflicted to this man...after all, he is a danger to all TCs?

Shame. you haven't evolved from those TMT days. I pity you and that backwater you call a state.

What would you do to people who were openly a danger to the "RoC" and a threat to all GCs?

Are you serious? The most Ive done is photoshopped Baniaonet's photo LOL. You sound crazy. You realize this is just a forum....take it easy. People have a right to disagree here. Don;t take things so seriously.

[boulio]

a popmous wolf in sheeps clothing

[BirKibrisli]

I really can't understand all this loss of time trying to convince someone to change his stance. What difference would it make if Kikapu started aligning with the views of VP, or if Bananiot would start aligning with the views of GR? Nothing other than remove the FUN and ALSO distort the REALITY that this forum is an image of the outside world. I personally know TCs living IN CYPRUS who have exactly the same views as Kikapu.I know of others who advocate return to the Roc as a solution. I know also of GCs that have exactly the same views as Bananiot.What's the big deal?

Now if your spending all your time in this forum made you having fantasies that this forum is of great concern to foreign embassies, then you are wrong. Foreign Embassies's No 1 concern has to do with commercial deals. The political situation for some of them comes second, and for most of them doesn't even exist. Those who report of the political situation back to their Countries, mostly get their information, from politicians, from the press, certainly from the common citizen they meet and talk to.Political forums like this are sometimes been watched, but not to the degree you imagine.What they want to know is the general trend.

Btw do you know what is mising from all forums? The settlers!! There has NEVER EVER been a single person coming in this or any other forum telling s/he was a settler.Of course we have never seen a Pontian or Russian either although there are so many in Cyprus today.Are we all missing something perhaps?

There is a logic to my madness,dear Pyro...
I happen to believe that for a lasting peace we need to have mutual understanding,respect and hopefully followed by trust...This will not happen if people just keep slagging each other with their official viewpoints...Piratis can endlessly repeat his arguments,he will be dismissed by the TCs as GC propaganda...VP can endlessly repeat his arguments,the GCs will dismiss him in the same way...There are a few people here who have got the credibility on the "other" side who can be really constructive...Kikapu is one such person...I am not saying he should start arguing like VP...But if he only talked about what he must know as a TC,he might bring some understanding in certain GCs here,that their black and white position might not be as black and white as they think...(The same logic goes for Bananiot too,but that is beside the point here...)

You are a good example here...You argue the GC position enthusistically,but you are not afraid to talk about the plight of the TCs as well...miltiades is another such person...You two are part of the solution,Kikapu as he stands is part of the problem....He is simply reinforcing the GCs self-rightious beliefs....So I am trying to find out why he is doing it...could it be that he really doesnt know the real TC situation??? He left Cyprus in 64 I believe as a 7 year old...It is possible that his family was one of the rare TC families who totally identified with the GC political position...so he only heard one side of the story....