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[boomerang]

Sure,there is corruption in the trnc,and I have often talked about it in the past...sometimes in very harsh terms...As you imply above it was not the fault of the TCs,it was forced upon them...The average decent TC has lost big time,Kikapu...I don't know what your personal experiences are,but in my family alone,2 of my Uncles who were already living in Nicosia pre 74 have refused to touch any refugee property...My other relatives,including the Auntie I share with Deniz,who became refugees themselves were only given a fraction of what they left behind...Most others who left before 74 got absolutely nothing for their properties in the South...The GC claim that all TCs got rich on refugee property is simply a myth...

My criticism are generally made to the "trnc" and all those who support the "trnc" 100%, like all our Fascist NeoPartitionist friends here on the forum and all the so called Turkish Newspapers who seem to lack any journalistic integrity or accuracy in their reporting, which Bayrak is no exception and by lesser "nationalist" who just like to pick fights with the GCs for the sake of it. I have always excluded the TC refugees from any attacks in the corrupted establishment of the north. I often separate the decent TCs from the Fascist and the settlers. But lets not kid ourselves, that many TCs who had gotten refugee homes have also bought up a lot of stolen GC land in the north as well as many TCs from the UK and else where. I wrote about my cousin's husband gloating about his purchases of GC properties in the north. He is not alone and it is these morally corrupted individuals who have been also an obstacle to finding a Fair & Just settlement, because they would lose it all, so they prefer anything but a Fair & Just peace plan. To them, Annan Plan was their ticket to keep most of the GCs land and have a partition at the same time in the form of a Confederate states with the "virgin birth" concept. That was voted down by 55.5% vs. 44.5% by all those who voted, and in my personal opinion, that was the right result.

My mother's parents land was divided by 5 children and 4 of them “exchanged” for GC land but my mother kept her deeds for the land in the south and refused to take part by taking GC land. As you have noted, she is not alone, as your family has done the same. Many families have done the same. But that's not to say, today, there isn’t a large amount of dealings that goes on in the north that is GC land. VP is only happy to tell you it is the case. Why do you think he is after a Annan Plan kind of a settlement. He has family members who are holding GC lands and I do not mean "exchange" even though he claims not to have any himself, which is very hard to believe knowing his partitionist stand.

We don't really know what VP's personal position is,so I dont think it is proper to speculate..The biggest profiteers amongst the TCs were those close to power,including those in influential positions in the TMT...There are thousands of indigenous TCs who became refugees or who left Cyprus before 74 who got absolutely nothing...Most land speculators are not TCs but settlers as far as I know..This doesn't make it right of course...But how can you remain silent when day after day you hear GCs talking about all TCs being thieves and dealers in stolen land???You know that is not the case,yet do not correct them...There is another myth on this forum,tht the TCs do not want a solution because they want to keep their financial gains?? As if the TCs had no emotional atachment to their ancestral land,and would sell their mothers for profit...I find that particularly insulting,don't you???

in vp's words bir...guilty by association...

he blames all the gcs for the actions of a few...his reasoning, the gcs stay silent...guilty by association...

so if the tcs are silent on just about everything turkey forwards on them you can safely assume guilt by association...

look at the picasso on the mountain...the tcs are saying nothing on this rather choosing to stay silent...actually they stay silent on just about everything...why not organise peacefull demonstrations asking for the removal of the picasso knowingly the ill situation it represents...so again guilty by association...

I have talked about this many times,boomers...
I said it was too insensitive and pointless to rub the GCs nose in that monster,many times...But to expect them to have protest marches for its removal is unrealistic..and dangerous...They are likely to be attacked by some fanatics amongst the settlers...I am not sure what the situation is now,but during the reign of nationalist government coalitions in Turkey and trnc,there was a strong "grey wolf" presence in the North...They might now have made way to Islamists,i don't know...Even the Islamists would probably object to such a protest...Being a TC in Cyprus keeps getting difficult,boomers,I kid you not...

fuck bir you come up with non stop excuses...ok replying to your reply, when do you think the tcs are gonna put a stop to getting bloody noses from turkey, islamists, etc...just remember no pain no gain...

i wanted to add to this, with all the tc complacency when it comes to all these demands made by turkey, islamists, etc, is like trying to pass all on the shoulders of the gcs via talat, the puppet, having his strings pulled...

time for the tcs to make a stand and show what they want...then we might be halfway to a solution...

[BirKibrisli]

There is no doubt you have moved on,Kikapu and that is very commendable...But do you believe the average TC represented by Viewpoint also moved on??? And when you say your close relatives have all moved on,what exactly do you mean??? Are they prepared to return to Cyprus and live with our GC compatriots if a solution is not found??? If not why not? If yes,why haven't they done so till now???I am assuming from your writings that most of your close family live overseas....Please correct me if I am wrong...

Yes my friend, I have moved on and so has all my close family members. We do not harbour any bad feelings towards anyone despite losing members from our extended family in the conflict, but then again, who hasn't from both sides on a small island like Cyprus. All my family from my father's side are in the UK as well as my sister in Turkey. They have built their lives in those countries, therefore that's where they will stay. On my mother's side of the family, they mostly live in the north as well as one or two in the UK. I have moved to few countries in the last 46 years since leaving Cyprus at age 9 and for me, if I ever do move back, it will be at later stage of my life. But if I were to move today to the RoC, I wouldn't have any concerns what so ever regarding my personal safety or being treated differently from anyone else in the south. I owe all this to my two weeks in Cyprus back in 2007 where I met so many GCs and never felt uncomfortable after the first initial day or two, and that was no thanks to the Fascists on this forum bad mouthing the GCs and their treatment of the TCs in the south. As you know, I wrote about that experience here on the forum, just like you wrote your experience of your trip to the south in 2008. Today, if I were to choose between living in the RoC as a EU member state or living in the north's corrupted society created by the TC leaders for the TCs, I would choose the south. However, if there is a peace settlement based on True Federation with True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles, I wouldn't care where I lived in Cyprus, because I know, that if the individual state would fail my rights, the Federal Government won't. This is why we need a True Federation in Cyprus, just so that everyone's individual and constitutional rights will be protected.

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

[Viewpoint]

Where is Kikapu, go ahead an answer Birs questions, you have slowly but surelt disected your who one sided stance, providing many points where a TC would have stepped in and voiced an opinion opposed to GCs. I have a number of time criticised the TCs the one that immediately springs to mind was the bridge incident over Lokmacı, a total farce by our side, now your turn try to to the GC side if you dare.

[boomerang]

There is no doubt you have moved on,Kikapu and that is very commendable...But do you believe the average TC represented by Viewpoint also moved on??? And when you say your close relatives have all moved on,what exactly do you mean??? Are they prepared to return to Cyprus and live with our GC compatriots if a solution is not found??? If not why not? If yes,why haven't they done so till now???I am assuming from your writings that most of your close family live overseas....Please correct me if I am wrong...

Yes my friend, I have moved on and so has all my close family members. We do not harbour any bad feelings towards anyone despite losing members from our extended family in the conflict, but then again, who hasn't from both sides on a small island like Cyprus. All my family from my father's side are in the UK as well as my sister in Turkey. They have built their lives in those countries, therefore that's where they will stay. On my mother's side of the family, they mostly live in the north as well as one or two in the UK. I have moved to few countries in the last 46 years since leaving Cyprus at age 9 and for me, if I ever do move back, it will be at later stage of my life. But if I were to move today to the RoC, I wouldn't have any concerns what so ever regarding my personal safety or being treated differently from anyone else in the south. I owe all this to my two weeks in Cyprus back in 2007 where I met so many GCs and never felt uncomfortable after the first initial day or two, and that was no thanks to the Fascists on this forum bad mouthing the GCs and their treatment of the TCs in the south. As you know, I wrote about that experience here on the forum, just like you wrote your experience of your trip to the south in 2008. Today, if I were to choose between living in the RoC as a EU member state or living in the north's corrupted society created by the TC leaders for the TCs, I would choose the south. However, if there is a peace settlement based on True Federation with True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles, I wouldn't care where I lived in Cyprus, because I know, that if the individual state would fail my rights, the Federal Government won't. This is why we need a True Federation in Cyprus, just so that everyone's individual and constitutional rights will be protected.

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

and what kiks is telling you by having a true federation, where democracy, himan rights and the rule of law applies, all you concerns will be safeguarded...

i am really surpriced bir, you live in such a place and fail to see it....it won't happened overnight as we came a long way from the '70s in OZ but eventually we got here...same in cyprus not overnight but the sooner we rt the sooner we ill get there...and this is by far the only option, a clean slate...

if you require psycoanalysis due to past traumas your state will look after you...not by imposing demands on the expense of the rest of the population...by demanding an apatheid system and as you told me beyond the every tc due to external factors played...turkey, islamists, etc...

here is food for thought, what makes you think if the tcs get what they want out of a deal, they will be able to stand up to turkey?...

[Pyrpolizer]

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

Competing on jobs: a)Government jobs---> Forget it
b)Private sector--->Depends on the job. For low paying jobs and jobs that they can't find enough personnel they just employ ANYONE. My brother in law in now in Poland trying to bring about 250 people for their chain of hotels. Generally language is a burden. But in jobs where English is used e.g computer specialists, no problem in fact I know a few TC computer specialists working in RoC.
Competing for houses??? What do you mean, buy or rent? Anyway absolutely no problem for either.
Running yoiur own bussiness? Absolutely no problem. In my very neighbourhood there are 2 TCs running their own bussinesses. The first one is a building contractor. He brings his own personel from the occupied every morning and he constructs a 3 story building.
The second company are 2 partners from ortakoyu, they got the contract from the local municipality for cleaning empty plots from weeds etc. They have their own excavator, and their own heavy truck. Both with licence plates of the RoC if you please. One of the two told me he is the son of xxx from Ortakoyu, and he was surprised I did not know his father, because it seems many GCs knew him
He boasted at me saying yep, i got the contract, i get 35 Euros per plot and look it only takes me 15 minutes to do it.

I think everybody also knew the TC at the corner of Regaenis street serving Doner Kebab. The best one I have ever tasted, but hell very expensive.Unfortunately the man died.

It's not the 50s or 60s anymore dear Bir.
If there is a TC Chartered accountant listening come to Roc, you will be a millionaire in no time. ANYONE who is a bussiness man, come to the RoC you will make at least 4 times as many profits. Too many TC mechanics are also working at the Mercedes agency...

[Pyrpolizer]

Now watch VP come telling me why should I come work at the RoC controlled area? For me its a foreign country. I 'd rather go work in Italy or in France.......

SPEECHLESS I shall remain. :loL:

[Pyrpolizer]

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

Certainly not. Without a solution so many thousands of TCs would be like a red rag to a bull.

[Viewpoint]

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

Competing on jobs: a)Government jobs---> Forget it
b)Private sector--->Depends on the job. For low paying jobs and jobs that they can't find enough personnel they just employ ANYONE. My brother in law in now in Poland trying to bring about 250 people for their chain of hotels. Generally language is a burden. But in jobs where English is used e.g computer specialists, no problem in fact I know a few TC computer specialists working in RoC.
Competing for houses??? What do you mean, buy or rent? Anyway absolutely no problem for either.
Running yoiur own bussiness? Absolutely no problem. In my very neighbourhood there are 2 TCs running their own bussinesses. The first one is a building contractor. He brings his own personel from the occupied every morning and he constructs a 3 story building.
The second company are 2 partners from ortakoyu, they got the contract from the local municipality for cleaning empty plots from weeds etc. They have their own excavator, and their own heavy truck. Both with licence plates of the RoC if you please. One of the two told me he is the son of xxx from Ortakoyu, and he was surprised I did not know his father, because it seems many GCs knew him
He boasted at me saying yep, i got the contract, i get 35 Euros per plot and look it only takes me 15 minutes to do it.

I think everybody also knew the TC at the corner of Regaenis street serving Doner Kebab. The best one I have ever tasted, but hell very expensive.Unfortunately the man died.

It's not the 50s or 60s anymore dear Bir.
If there is a TC Chartered accountant listening come to Roc, you will be a millionaire in no time. ANYONE who is a bussiness man, come to the RoC you will make at least 4 times as many profits. Too many TC mechanics are also working at the Mercedes agency...

So you have TCs just where you want them doing menial labour intensive jobs for lazy GCs, well done confirms what we already know.

You are closing your eyes to the reality of the situation TCs who do venture south face being discriminated and rejected without even being aware of it. They would never stand a chnace of obtaining jobs of any significance as the selecting panel will all be GCs, its natural that if 2 candidates with similar qualificaiton applied they would always choose the GC over the TC, its called racisim and vengence.

[Pyrpolizer]

I had a similar experience,Kikapu,and I also described it in my "dairy",but do you think 2 weeks as a tourist with your girlfriend (and I take it she is very swiss looking) are enough to make such an important decision...It is one thing to be an exotic TC tourist in the RoC today,but do you think you'd have felt the same if you were one of tens of thousands of TCs settled in the South and competing with the GCs on jobs,houses,or running a business??? when you read some of the comments from our GC forumers here,does it give you the confidence that they have all moved on too,that there is no underlying racism,not to mention bitterness and hatred towards the TCs??? Do you think the RoC as it stands today is ready to accomodate tens of thousands of TCs,and offer them protection from physical harrassment, discrimination and prejudice???

Competing on jobs: a)Government jobs---> Forget it
b)Private sector--->Depends on the job. For low paying jobs and jobs that they can't find enough personnel they just employ ANYONE. My brother in law in now in Poland trying to bring about 250 people for their chain of hotels. Generally language is a burden. But in jobs where English is used e.g computer specialists, no problem in fact I know a few TC computer specialists working in RoC.
Competing for houses??? What do you mean, buy or rent? Anyway absolutely no problem for either.
Running yoiur own bussiness? Absolutely no problem. In my very neighbourhood there are 2 TCs running their own bussinesses. The first one is a building contractor. He brings his own personel from the occupied every morning and he constructs a 3 story building.
The second company are 2 partners from ortakoyu, they got the contract from the local municipality for cleaning empty plots from weeds etc. They have their own excavator, and their own heavy truck. Both with licence plates of the RoC if you please. One of the two told me he is the son of xxx from Ortakoyu, and he was surprised I did not know his father, because it seems many GCs knew him
He boasted at me saying yep, i got the contract, i get 35 Euros per plot and look it only takes me 15 minutes to do it.

I think everybody also knew the TC at the corner of Regaenis street serving Doner Kebab. The best one I have ever tasted, but hell very expensive.Unfortunately the man died.

It's not the 50s or 60s anymore dear Bir.
If there is a TC Chartered accountant listening come to Roc, you will be a millionaire in no time. ANYONE who is a bussiness man, come to the RoC you will make at least 4 times as many profits. Too many TC mechanics are also working at the Mercedes agency...

So you have TCs just where you want them doing menial labour intensive jobs for lazy GCs, well done confirms what we already know.

You are closing your eyes to the reality of the situation TCs who do venture south face being discriminated and rejected without even being aware of it. They would never stand a chnace of obtaining jobs of any significance as the selecting panel will all be GCs, its natural that if 2 candidates with similar qualificaiton applied they would always choose the GC over the TC, its called racisim and vengence.

To be honest I would personally love to take that contract doing "menial labour" driving an escavator and getting 35 Euros every 15 minutes. As for your other nonsense that racism and vengence is natural keep them for yourself. And assuming this "natural" treatment applies to all the people a TC would be prefered over a GC with the same qualifications by a TC employer, so what's the problem, we have balance anyway.

[Viewpoint]

I am stating how it is in the hijacked "RoC" and the natural process that TCs would face against an all GC panel who are racist and vegence seeking, can you prove that they did not evluate the candidate in this manner, no you cannot so why expose us to double standards and disappointment when we already know we do not stand a chnace in your GC state.

He probably get one field a week....now do you want the job?